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[-] ravhall@discuss.online 111 points 5 months ago

Oh noes, I bet lemmy.ml users all switch.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 months ago
[-] ravhall@discuss.online 37 points 5 months ago

Do you agree that the CCP was responsible for thousands of deaths during the Tiananmen Square massacre? Do you agree that China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs?

If you agree, think you might agree, or don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about, you shouldn’t be on lemmy.ml

[-] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 27 points 5 months ago

The fuck? Who are you to say who should be on lemmy.ml? Just because I don't agree with some of the people that doesn't mean I shouldn't be here.

Get the fuck out of here with that segregation bullshit. I don't want an instance that defederate from everything I don't agree with.

[-] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 50 points 5 months ago

You missed the point. He's saying if you hold those positions, then your account isn't safe there. I just avoid the .ml servers in general because of their heavy handed and politically charged moderating. Admins and power mods ruined reddit, I'd recommend not committing the same mistakes here.

.ml servers started the segregationist bullshit with their moderating. I'd also be interested in what your stance was on most every server defederating with exploding heads and burggit back last year.

[-] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

I don't know anything about exploding heads and burggit but I assume they are right-leaning/alt-right. Like lemmygrad but the "opposite?) I am against defederation in general. I like to be exposed to different opinions and I am fully capable to use my brain to not become an extremist.

That said, I don't agree with either the extremist left or right.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You seem to be basing your defense of your instance on the misguided belief that they don't defederate from people. I'd look into that if I were you.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

I am against defederation in general. I like to be exposed to different opinions and I am fully capable to use my brain to not become an extremist.

Then why the shit are you on an instance that is against all of that lol?

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[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

If your stance is to have no or minimal defederation then lemmy.ml is not the right choice, lemm.ee is: Compare blocked instances here with the same here. Besides lemmy.ml apparently not cleaning up their blocks (e.g. exploding-heads is defunct) they block e.g. lemmynsfw.com. Not really political that's just one that I recognised.

Also I couldn't find a federation policy for lemmy.ml, while lemm.ee has clear rules.

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[-] JoYo@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

they're projecting.

they want to destroy anyone that doesn't share their opinions on their instance and assume that's what happens here.

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

The amount of bans by dessalines shows otherwise though

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 12 points 5 months ago

Lolol

"they're projecting"

Projects harder than anyone else

"See?!"

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[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yes to both. I absolutely despise both country's governments because of their actions. However mirroring the government's actions to individuals living in a country does not seem fair. I fucking hate my country's president, and would celebrate it if he died. Why should I get judged based on his actions?

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 19 points 5 months ago

No one's judging you based on his actions, they're judging you based on your actions. That being to have your account on an instance that supports those actions.

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 8 points 5 months ago

You’re not being judged. We are letting you know what your instance is really about. Stay if you want, but you don’t align with it.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 7 points 5 months ago

I think it should be rephrased. 95% of people on lemmy.ml are probably sane, but since all their moderators are insane, it makes it look like everyone there agrees with them

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[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

Truthfully, if anyone can give an independent first hand report about the treatment of Uyghurs in China (that is not coming from propaganda vehicles like the Victims of Communism Foundation), I would be most interested.

No, I am not saying this in rebuttal to anything.

[-] xor 13 points 5 months ago

You mean something like the UN Human Rights Office report that concluded "China responsible for ‘serious human rights violations’ in Xinjiang province"?

[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

Yes. Though serious human rights violations are not the same as genocide and concentrations camps, as both the above poster and Victims of Communism Foundation wants us to believe.

That means in no way that those violations are acceptable.

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[-] cmhe@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

One notable software business professional interviewed by RBC thought that the West’s decision would “adversely affect the life of the developer community, mutual trust within it, and therefore the quality of the product.”

It was Russia and other autocracies etc. that diminished the trust by actually financing developers for multiple years to first earn trust and finally introduce backdoors into open source software, as demonstrated by the XZ utils backdoor.

In open source projects, maintainers need to have some initial trust into each contributor, and let this trust naturally grow with time and contributions. They cannot perform intensive background checks on everyone before accepting a patch.

While it is easier to uncover backdoors in open source software, there is no good way to defend and prevent against this kind of attack in this type of development process. All open source projects can do is trying to take away some trust from people within higher risk groups. This of course might lead to discrimination.

[-] horse_tranquilizers@sh.itjust.works 46 points 5 months ago

Where are the tankie posts now?

[-] quant@leminal.space 14 points 5 months ago

Well confined in their instances for now. Wait until .ml and the Grad starts overflowing.

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[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 44 points 5 months ago

Omg I bet lemmygrad is crying in their panties!

[-] sem 42 points 5 months ago

There is a theory that sanctions against a country with a tyrannical ruler hurt the common people more than the oligarchs / dictator. But eventually they do make life more difficult for that ruler

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The common people are the ones who overthrow the dictator eventually

[-] RubberDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Iraq Afghanistan North Korea

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[-] tux0r@feddit.org 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To my complete lack of surprise, Russia ~~is~~ seems to be a freer country for free software developers than the United States.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 52 points 5 months ago
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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago

To my complete lack of surprise, Russia is seems to be a freer country for free software developers than the United States.

What does the United States have to do with this? Since when is Finland part of the United States? Linus Torvalds is Finnish.

[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 59 points 5 months ago

The Linux Foundation is headquartered in San Francisco. It's a US 501c non profit. Therefore, they must abide by US sanctions.

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[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Free to maintain a kernel that is their own and which does not belong to "ThE wEsT".

Free at last, free at last. Thank Putin Almighty we are free at last.

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 10 points 5 months ago

Well, most of the software is pirated, so free like theft not free like free.

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

It was the right move, but this needs to be expanded. Assume there are state actors from all of the major countries installing backdoors.

The digital war front will be getting hit from all sides. We need extreme paranoia to protect all of the innocent bystanders. Don’t assume even your own country is trustworthy in this.

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Don’t assume even your own country is trustworthy in this.

My country is one of the world leaders in mass spying software development and even gave themselves the right to basically do deep packet inspections on everything going through it a long time ago, so...

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[-] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's a shame they didn't consider moving the LF foundation to Europe or something. If the choice is kick out contributors to support sanctions or operate without political pressure, the second is far better.

I cannot stand Putin or Russia's action, but punishing individual contributors just trying to write code and build Linux isn't helpful.

Unless evidence is found of malicious commits, it is pretty harsh on those caught up with this.

Let's remember that many Russians will probably be locked up and/or killed for coming out against Putin. Punishing them achieves nothing.

[-] the_strange@feddit.org 77 points 5 months ago

They removed russian maintainers that are associated with sanctioned companies. Individual russian contributers were unaffected by this.

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