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Truly a pretty terrible place for any kind of social activity.

People here are super self righteous and unwavering in their beliefs, quick to insult others and be generally bitchy, pedantic and quick to dogpile. Worst of all while still usually slightly wrong about a thing, but unwilling to hear it.

It's basically the worst parts of reddit users where we have boiled it down to the most affluent or socially insecure.

Even if it's as simple as a question people jump to defend their position with insults rather than answer it cause they get worried the person might be confused and it's best to just make sure it's a closed community as quick as possible.

This isn't an open community it's a private gated one where everyone jumped the fence and is scared that the wrong person might have come in with them.

Condescending is not welcoming.
Upvoting cause they are your in group isn't community.
Berating outcasts cause you at least don't feel like them is still bullying.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I see your instance is federated with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad. Going to gesture vaguely at that being the root of your problem (or at least > 90% of it).

Blocking instances helps, but you'll still see users from there in the comments and in other communities (not on the blocked instance). Some UIs will hide users from blocked instances. I know Tesseract does (I wrote it to do that), but others might as well.

My experience here has been pretty great after getting my blocklist and feed curated.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 points 2 months ago

Yeah I am also federated with lemmy.world and blocking that would silence the feed a whole lots more while being just as helpful to my psyche.
The commies are at least consistent and up to date on things. Which is insane since they insist on a economic system from 200 years ago.

I think the problem I have is that those outside of grad and hexbear also think their shit doesn't stink but I literally have seen people openly mocking a user for nothing because he made a comment elsewhere that means they keep going after him to punish him for his opinion on anything. It's cruel and fucking inhuman. It lacks all empathy and it's not hexbear that was doing it.

I also don't want to block people just for existing with other opinions. I couldnt do it in real life. I can choose to not interact.
Blocking feels like a bandaid for having a terrible community where everyone wants to be alone and right.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 months ago

I think the problem I have is that those outside of grad and hexbear also think their shit doesn’t stink but I literally have seen people openly mocking a user for nothing because he made a comment elsewhere that means they keep going after him to punish him for his opinion on anything. It’s cruel and fucking inhuman. It lacks all empathy and it’s not hexbear that was doing it.

Feel free to report this. This should not be tolerated.

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Wait until someone tells this guy how old capitalism is

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[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 5 points 2 months ago

Am a mod of a few smaller communities but I think I speak for a lot of us. We aren't in every thread, but if you see rule breaking, report it. That's what we're there for. I know that sort of behavior is against the rules in my subs.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah I think I've realized I'm really only seeing the basic big theads on lemmy.world and the moderation there is kill or be killed and whatever the mods giggle at is allowed. Which means they let dogpiling happen if it seems deserved.

I'm apparently in a rather small instance.

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

Must be a different Lemmy you're talking about. My experience has been nothing like that and generally quite positive.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 2 months ago

Ok. Thanks for chiming in.

Have a specific community you like to interact with or are you a Linux user?

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Twitter made me hate people. FB made me realize just how dumb people are. Reddit made me realize that there are no good guys in positions of power. Bluesky is actually pretty chill. But I prefer this format. A forum style.

[-] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago

At this point, i’m having a decent time here but I also have a decent block list, an instance blocked, and another mostly blocked.

I don’t mind the commies too much, since I’m an ancom, though I have argued with them on my previous main account a lot, and it did get exhausting since some communities dogmatically support specific arguments that have been proven wrong a hundred years ago or are based on strawmen, or fundamental misunderstandings, or on viewpoints that haven’t been mainstream since the 1800s.

Lemmy has changed a bit since I joined when reddit announced their api changes. It used to be more radical, but I’ve seen a lot more centrists and center left folks join, and I think the mixing of that has caused a fuckton of drama.

Though I don’t see a lot of insults anymore. I’ve been insulted a million different ways, but since march or april I’ve seen a reduction in people calling me a slur or people calling me a fascist or trumper even though my position is to the left of theirs. I remember being insulted incessantly after October of last year.

I tend to be careful where I reply with political talk (AKA not on .world or most hexbear communities) but the non political communities are wonderful. I fucking love the queer communities here (even on hexbear) and the open source communities are also great.

I just hope the toxicity drops to what I remember around June or July of last year once elections end.

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[-] bighatchester@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

One thing I noticed is alot of people on Lemmy think that everything on the internet should be free and have no ads. In a perfect world this would be great but most of the sites people regularly use are expensive to operate and wouldn't exist. I do use as blocker and pirate stuff sometimes but I also pay for YouTube premium and a couple other services. Plus I go to movie theaters whenever there is a movie I really want to see and support.

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 10 points 2 months ago

+1 for unpopular. I think planet earth is worse platform.

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[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sorry to hear.

I see you from time to time on !movies@lemm.ee, hopefully you don't hate people there, we try to keep it nice.

Feel free to join !casualconversation@lemm.ee if you want a more laid-back experience.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 points 2 months ago

Nah I love the movies community. I was able to talk about the weirdest thing I've seen all year Megalopolis over there. Literally just wrote a comment about it.

Rough day elsewhere on the platform. Rough month really.

But thank you maybe I will check it out!

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

Thank you for that comment, happy that you like the community

Sure, see you around!

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

There are two keys to success for an internet community:

  • limit the conversation to a circumscribed subject
  • have decent moderation

This has not changed since the 90s. It's the reason that any community devoted to "world news" or "politics", whether it be here or on the R-site or anywhere else, is destined be a train wreck whereas one on "gardening" or "classic BMWs" or whatever will generally be pleasant.

Fair-minded moderation is what turns a cesspool into a merely unpleasant hangout, or a decent community into a great one.

IMO the gold standard for a successful community is clearly Hacker News, which (logically) combines a well-defined purpose with top-notch moderation. Rather than just deleting comments and handing out bans, the moderator there intervenes in discussions to push them back on course, often in a plaintive manner that appeals to people's good sides. The positive results of this approach were even the subject of a feature article in the New Yorker.

This is a not a technical problem as much as a human one. Restrict the bounds of conversation, then take a smart approach to moderation. Success will follow.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

It has some crazy, but I've found it refreshingly with it in many ways. People here generally understand that getting paid enough money instead of ripped off by a billionaire is good. The stuff you shouldn't have to filter for.

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[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I find that if you avoid the political and news forums and some of the meme forums, you avoid 90% of the assholery that exists on Lemmy. But that’s true for Reddit as well and I think is probably just a truism about the internet in general.

It’s not really the people, I think, that is the problem; it’s that people feel strongly about politics and when they have the anonymity and disconnection of the internet to free them from true social accountability, we express ourselves in increasingly overconfident and arrogant ways, which obviously pisses other people off and creates arguments. In other words, the internet is ideal for festering toxic debating environments. Our psychology just wasn’t meant for it.

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[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

There is indeed a LOT of bitchy pedantry on here. I'm not sure it's worse than other platforms, because this is the only one I've been using for a while now. I block very aggressively and that seems to help.

Sorry you're not having fun on Lemmy, I do get it. For some reason reddit keeps failing upwards and we're not getting the influx of users I was hoping for. I'm still hanging in here but participating less and less.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago

For some reason reddit keeps failing upwards and we’re not getting the influx of users I was hoping for.

Inertia is directly related to how big their userbase is. And they pretty much killed all the text-based discussion forums.

So I'm not hopeful we'll get another influx that soon. People staying on Reddit will prefer to fix their personal API key every day to use a 2 years old Lemmy or Sync apk rather than try Lemmy.

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I'm also starting to think social media plus human nature = inherently bad combo. It's not always bad, but it trends that way over time and at large scales.

Real identity social media is bad because creepy corporations track your every move and people post fake and highly curated profiles.

Anonymous social media is bad because too many people behave like unfiltered belligerent asholes.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 2 months ago

People suck. Basically always hoping there is someone beneath them to feel better for treating them worse.

It's probably best to be in a situation where you can still get socked in the mouth for acting like a jerk while people are having a conversation.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 2 months ago

Hahaha yeah the whole API key thing was what pushed me to Lemmy.

The first time I got "you have used the maximum amount of posts blah blah blah" I was done with reddit... But then I found out that I'm having a lot less fun.

I have to participate in the big communities and with awful people if I don't want to be alone in an empty community.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

Are you familiar with !newcommunities@lemmy.world ?

Also, you being on lemy.lol and its 103 monthly active users means you might miss on some communities as nobody from your instance subscribed to them to bring them to the All feed

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 2 months ago

checks profile

I can see why you hate everyone here. 🫠

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[-] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

blocking the .ml instances helps, a lot. I made the recent mistake (twice!) commenting on Lemmy.ml. over there, anything NOT praising Russia, NK, or China is hated. they're pretty smooth-brained and not worth arguing with. same with lemmygrad, same with hexbear. I'm fairly new to federation, and that was a big learning curve for me. a lot of the Europe or US based instances are way more open to hearing opinions and conversation, so I'd start there.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not honestly fighting with .ml people. The people the most rude to me are .world.

I think they are just used as easy scapegoats cause they tend to be loud and passionate.

I can be in a memes thread and still have people argue in bad faith and call me a troll for asking a question about Linux. That's not .ml or hexbear.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

The people the most rude to me are .world.

It's also a third of the whole userbase, so definitely a higher number of every type of users, including toxic ones.

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[-] sho@ani.social 4 points 2 months ago

Like most people say if you want more pleasant experience, it'd be better to avoid politics.

Dank memes is also tangled with politics and crudeness anymore and outlived their days.

Also you don't need to feel obligated to respond to rude or unpleasant people, just block em' and go about your own interest.

Lastly treat others how you would like to be treated. If you just go around trying to counterpoint argue and call everyone terrible then you might suffer some backlash.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I agree. Lemmy is the most unwelcoming social media platform I’ve ever been to. It’s why I no longer recommend it to anyone. People be like, “just leave Twitter,” but then don't have the tiniest bit of tolerance for views that even slightly differ from their own. This doesn’t just apply to the comments either - my highly curated feed, with over 500 of the most toxic users blocked, still mostly consists of people complaining. Look at me; I'm complaining too.

[-] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I have a different experience. I have not blocked anyone or amt instance. I am om lemmy.world, so that might be it?

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You forgot where their feelings about a subject hold more weight that your facts. Its usually over some childish pearlclutching.

[-] zante@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Violent agreement

had an account on another server banned for saying this.

Everyone here is very disagreeable. .

.world is by far the worst for ignorant shitheads.

I’m not excluding myself , but I put opinions from a different perspective and just get slaughtered.

This is my 4 account

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

This is my 4 account

If it's on 4 different instances, that's a bit concerning tbh

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 3 points 2 months ago

I clash a lot with all the terrorist simps & dictator loving Tankies, which certainly turns into idiotic arguments most of the time, but I don't think I've ever managed to get banned from a server, which really makes me wonder what those "opinions from a different perspective" are. I'm guessing Trumpanzee's and other far right goons will have an especially hard time on here.

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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 2 months ago

Everyone feels apparently a deep seated need to be right and defend their idea of the world as if we might steal away their fantasy and make them miserable for it.

If they have an opinion on it than they are already right and anyone coming in to talk to them about it is a dangerous outsider.

Everyone is xenophobic and everyone is the other. Maybe it's not just here but man is it pretty bad here and on .world.

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