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[-] OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.org 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This movie is so hard to talk about, because the question is: "What is it even about?"

I like movies with abstract themes and strange storytelling, but this was just incomprehensible. Its plot revolves around the machinations of rich men to control the future of their city "New Rome", but the plot is kinda meaningless. There's never any real threat to Caesar's goal. Just plot events that could be obstacles but then are immediately resolved/neutered. Ok, fine! Surely then it's an art-house piece with a deep message? The plot points must be there for the sake of a larger theme. I was waiting for everything to add up in the finale, but it just ends up with Caesar delivering a speech filled with platitudes so bland that I thought it was a joke. Then the credits rolled and the 2 of the other 5 people in the theater with me started laughing.

[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

10 min: This should be interesting. 20 min: Why does this feel... off? 30 min: I must be missing a lot of historical references. 40 min: Wait, is the audience the butt of the joke here? 50 min - 90 min: confusion/anger 100 min: Holy shit Aubrey Plaza is hot 120 min: He made a whole movie for that one scene 🤣

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 22 points 1 year ago

Idk, maybe you've sold me.

[-] Janovich@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Got it. Show up 1:10 into it and leave after 10 minutes.

[-] altasshet@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

So it's a condensed version of Atlas Shrugged, maybe with a sprinkle of The Fountainhead?

[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

This sounds like a spin on Atalas Shurgged?

Which, ew....

[-] OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's similar only in that it's about a "Great man" remaking a society in collapse.

Really none of the themes are there. Nor is there any journey of discovery to understand who Caesar is, like you get in Atlas Shrugged where other characters learn who John Galt is.

Galt is "Self interest and belief in my vision will make society better". Caesar is "McGuffin building materials and belief in my vision will make society better". For all its flaws, one is at least a political statement, while the other is milquetoast hopium.

[-] dandelion 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 year ago

The movie didn't sexually harass anyone, Francis Ford Coppola did.

(To be clear, I agree with you, and while the movie sounds like garbage no one should watch, and it looks like at least some in the production team were complicit enablers, my point is that there is no need for the general statement, when there is a specific perpetrator to name)

[-] dandelion 9 points 1 year ago

It is Francis Ford Coppola's film, when I take delight in the failure of the movie it is because of how it impacts its creator (not because I'm trying to shift blame away from him onto his film).

The film is also garbage, but more importantly several critics have noted the film is sexist, like Maureen Lee Lenker's review which mentioned "troubling gender roles and gross sexual dynamics at play". Is it that surprising the film made by the man sexually assaulting people on set is also itself sexist?

I agree that it's worth specifically calling out Francis Ford Coppala and to put the blame where it belongs, and this is why I linked to the article about his specific misdeeds. At first I assumed most people knew about this already, which was maybe a bad assumption. I didn't even link my message at first thinking it was too obvious.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah I can see where you were coming from, definitely wasn't trying to criticise you or anything, just think it's always good to shame and name these abusers, they've earned it.

[-] dandelion 4 points 1 year ago

100% agreed and a good call-out, thank you

[-] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago
[-] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You know, that's the first thing that caught my attention, and it's actually kind of bothering me. I now want to pronounce it "ootopian" to make it work, but it's just so wrong.

[-] notsure@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago
[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I'm sure he felt very clever.

[-] TheDuffmaster@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah there will definitely never be a movie like that again

[-] scottywh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I enjoyed it and I think the hate it's gotten is undue.

[-] Jonnyprophet@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

So... Is it any good?

It's you or Rotten Tomatoes and I'd prefer to trust you.

[-] scottywh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Good is obviously somewhat subjective but ...

It's visually stunning in a way that rivals Moulin Rouge or Luhrman's Romeo & Juliet.

The cast is incredible and I found many of their performances quite interesting and entertaining.

The story is unusual and compelling enough that it held my attention throughout, though I also think it's reasonable to say that there are certainly confusing elements.

I'm confident though that the main reason for the vast majority of the negative reviews are that the film draws strong parallels between certain unlikable elements and the MAGA movement in a way that upsets them.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 1 year ago

I view it like a really fun fairy tale or a dream like bed time story.

It's fun and a mess.

[-] Roldyclark@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago

I enjoyed it and it deserves all the hate LOL

[-] machinaeZER0@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Movie was an absolute trip, haha

[-] Roldyclark@literature.cafe 2 points 1 year ago

“How do you like my boner?”

[-] machinaeZER0@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Bahahah. Hard to choose a favorite scene but that was definitely a crowd pleaser in my showing

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 year ago

I read the wiki summary and it sounds kind of incoherent and bad. Too many plot beats, and he can stop time??

[-] Roldyclark@literature.cafe 4 points 1 year ago

Him stopping time has no point in the plot. It’s a really good bad movie if you’re into that.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I can't get over "Franklyn Cicero." What the fuck.

[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

In what way was Franklyn Cicero greedy? Wasn't his whole role to advocate for the common man?

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