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I'm getting sick every day at this Microsoft Windows slowness and bloat. I am trying to use as much Linux VMs as possible. I feel so unproductive on Windows. I also tried installing Linux on the office laptop. The problem is that Windows is officialy supported and the Linux is DYI. Once the IT departament changes it will sync up with Windows but Linux can be broken and you are no longer able to work. Next job I want to have full Linux laptop or at least Mac.

Besides:

  • Microsoft Office
  • Active Directory
  • Some proxy and VPN bullshit

Everything seems manageable and even better on Linux.

What is your experience?

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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My current company is being absorbed into a much larger company right now, got bought out earlier this year.

I was the only IT for the smaller company, and I was using 100% Linux (Debian with KDE Plasma) on my laptop to administrate everything in our environment, which is mostly Windows.

  • Our DC with AD on it, I used Remmina to RDP into it for admin tasks.
  • O365 and Azure/Entra stuff was all in the browser.
  • Our ERP system is cloud-based, so browser was fine for that too.
  • Our access control system was cloud-based and the RFID card reader/writer was plug-n-play on Linux.
  • Our company SMB share worked fine with Linux in Plasma using my AD credentials.
  • I set up my company OneDrive sync using rclone, it also worked flawlessly.
  • Our Fortigate firewall VPN has a native Linux app which, although ugly as sin, works without issue.
  • I used OnlyOffice for a while, then switched back to LibreOffice. Both worked basically perfect, a few very minor font bugs, (bullet lists having a slightly different style for the bullets, etc.)
  • Teams, I used a wrapper flatpak for a while, which worked fine, then switched to the browser version of Teams. No major issues, I had a bunch of meetings, screen shares, webcam, presentations all on Teams in Linux, pretty seamless.
  • Email, Outlook in the browser is fine. I also used Thunderbird for a bit, but didn't like how buggy it was in the Flatpak version, and the Debian package was way too out of date for my taste.

Now that we got bought out, I am being forced off my Linux laptop and onto the new company's Windows laptop, which really sucks. I am planning on quitting soon, as I hate using Windows and I am very underpaid at my current job as it is. Only real perk was not having to report to any IT manager/CTO, and being able to use Linux.

[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Most places seem to issue Mac's now for the role. I just create a 90% cpu & memory Linux VM on them and work from within that, with the exception of teams or zoom meetings being native on the Mac (no echo cancellation on linux VM's, it seems). Works mostly well, but it is arm64 based linux, as the Mac's currently are M series.

Ended up going with Arch for arm64, as it had the simplest way to add widevine support to my browsers.

Much better than being native on the Mac... Mac doesn't give me the two select&paste linux 2nd copy buffer, doesn't provide focus follows mouse, no auto-raise, and type in partially covered windows without raise. Essential for my workflow.

[-] ninekeysdown@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

MacOS, nearly everyone who does anything with development or ops is using a MacBook. Though lately more “normal” employees have been getting MacBooks too.

[-] UNY0N@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

If this what works for work stuff, then more power to ya. I just hope you don't do any personal stuff on there...

[-] Psyhackological@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

At least they have some kind of choice...

[-] nentypaushessen@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Well... i am feeling somewhat heretical writing this... but i am a happy ChromeOS user for years now. In my opinion its a very good middle ground between a super stable platform that JUST WORKS and with the integrated Linux VM i have the opportunity to Install the necessary tools for my work.

[-] Psyhackological@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago

Interesting... But you use it at work and it is allowed?

[-] nentypaushessen@feddit.org 1 points 18 hours ago

Yup, i use it for work and its not only allowed, but the company is at the moment evaluating if it would be feasible to move all our clients to ChromeOS(-Flex).

I understand the general sentiment regarding Google, and it is somewhat earned, but if you compare Windows and ChromeOS (or the whole Google ecosystem) then its interesting to note that Google is (at least in my opinion) much, much more user friendly than Microsoft. No dark patterns, hassle free updates... it surely has its upsides.

[-] GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Windows 11, and the group policies doesn't allow us to use WSL. We also can't directly SSH into any servers so we have to go trough a Citrix session to a Windows 10 "admin server" and then SSH or RDP to a Linux server. And Windows Terminal isn't installed on the Windows 10 server, so it's either CMD or the Powershell terminal.

It's absolutely fucking miserable. I'm a Linux sysadmin who do a lot of automation (ansible etc) but also Python development. Try it yourselves and see how long you last! I'm jumping the fucking ship in a month though, thank the gods.

All the result of an over confident "security organization", with a lot of hubris.

But the best part? It's a $5000 work laptop, and my 6 year old Thinkpad (with Linux) runs laps around the thing any day of the week. Opening the file explorer takes, most of the time, 5+ seconds...

Fuck my life, and fuck this company.

[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have a fairly new, expensive (not $5000 expensive though) laptop from work. It's quite a high powered laptop. It's full of administration crap that constantly runs in the background using 8 GB of RAM and at least 20% of the CPU, nonstop. Daily I run out of RAM and it freezes. I have a 15 year old laptop that, without exaggeration, is faster to use and can run more programs without running out of RAM.

[-] pathief@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

I have several clients with this kind of setup. I'm always baffled at the amount of hoops I have to go through to connect to my Linux server. Sometimes I have to remote desktop to a windows virtual desktop and then use the citrix session to another windows machine VIA BROWSER so I can finally ssh to the machine. Are they trying to bore attackers to death?

[-] mb_@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

LOL

They are trying to bore only your customers, attackers have direct access (=

[-] ILikeTraaaains@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

But the best part? It's a $5000 work laptop, and my 6 year old Thinkpad (with Linux) runs laps around the thing any day of the week. Opening the file explorer takes, most of the time, 5+ seconds...

In my previous job I was doing Java development on e-commerce (Hybris, then renamed to SAP Commerce) and the laptop (a beefy thinkpad) took ages from powering on to being able to work, also Java compilation could take 30 min and just starting up the project on local another 5.

Had the opportunity to install Linux (the policy was that dual boot was required and don’t disturb IT with Linux issues) and oh boy, from turning on to being able to work was incredible fast. Compiling went from 30 to 5 min (with same Java official version from oracle in order to avoid any implementation discrepancies between openjdk and the oracle JDK in prod), and starting tje local server went from have enough time for preparing a coffee to seconds.

Unfortunately my current job only allows Windows and the policies are too strict.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

I nearly threw up reading first paragraph 😂

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[-] proton_lynx@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

I don't use Windows anymore. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "Linux purists", if other people wanna use Windows, go ahead. But I'm not using it. I swear to god, if it becomes mandatory to use Windows at my company, I'm leaving the next day.

[-] Psyhackological@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Hah I don't have that privilege but same mindset. It is weird to me that in many companies you were deprived of choice at least. Linux can be worse too but let me just try it and see.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

The reason that most companies don't want you to do that is because they don't want people running around installing their own OS and doing whatever they feel like on company devices.

Letting people do that would be an IT and information security nightmare.

It's the same reason that no (sane) company would give local admin privileges to everyone.

The reason why companies generally don't have an official way to use Linux is because it's hard to support two platforms simultaneously. Especially when you have, certificate and/or AD network authentication for wireless and wired like we do. You also need to consider how the two platforms should interact with each other. For example Linux devices should be able to connect to the AD domain with Kerberos and need to be able to access SMB shares and probably other systems.

In short it's more complicated than "just let me try".

[-] penquin@lemm.ee 34 points 3 days ago

Software dev here. The only Linux I ever hear of at my job is Open shift. That's about it. We are neck deep into windows. And honestly, I don't care. It's a job and my bills are paid. My house is full of Linux, and I don't care what a big corporation wants to use for their software.

[-] Psyhackological@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

True but I miss quickness of Linux, being native with my apps and just having my environment. I don't think I ever gotten a nice working environment as it is constant struggle. On Linux I can say it's good enough.

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[-] poinck@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

This mind set has it's limit when you need to get something done, see your family after 8h of work and don't log overtime for some stupid windows s****.

But, yes, in most cases I just log additional unproductive time in my timesheet. It would suck, if I couldn't compansate the overtime and leave work earlier on Fridays or so. Management has to live with the fact that working with Windows is not as efficient.

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[-] somenonewho@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago

I'm in the lucky position that I always could work with Linux. I was working with people that couldn't be bothered to run Windows on their Desktops (administering mostly Linux Servers anyway). In my first job we had a "Standardized" Fedora desktop that was actually attached to our AD so you could log in at any desktop with your domain user. However we did have internal tools and some software requirement that only were available on Linux meaning everyone in our department had a Windows VM for using those tools (kinda overkill but ok). My last job we didn't have any standard other than the system had to be encrypted and had Eset installed other than that we could set it up he was we liked.

Could I work with a Windows desktop? Sure I'm on the Terminal sshing into systems 98% of the time anyway but at the end of the day I love to simply be on Linux having a workflow I'm used to.

Regarding Office I was just using Office online for anything that needed it.

Getting Linux Systems into AD is possible (but of course requires cooperation on the side of the IT department)

Proxy and VPN should mostly be doable (but of course might not be able to be deployed via Group policies)

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 5 points 2 days ago

When I could get away with it at work, I did.

In the last.. I want to say six or seven years, issuing Macbooks to sysadmins has been a common thing in the sectors I work in. Rather than put up with us going rogue and messing up license tracking by rebuilding our stuff with a distro of choice, management just throws OSX at the problem (us, we're the problem) because operationally it's close enough for our purposes.

It's not my choice or preference, but the money's green.

[-] thejml@lemm.ee 25 points 3 days ago

MacOS. Systems doesn’t want to support Linux, and the only other option is windows 11. A few of my coworkers have Win11 with WSL and fight it every single day. They’re diehard windows people who have been seriously considering moving to MacOS for their next round of upgrades.

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[-] SharpieThunderflare@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago

Mixed environment, bunch of windows servers and a bunch of Linux servers. I currently run NixOS on my company owned Framework laptop, with the caveat that I have to deal with or work around any weirdness that comes up.

I've been wanting for a while now to fix up my config (weird sleep waking issues, broken hibernate, implement full disk encryption) or maybe switch to Fedora. Just haven't had the time.

Remmina is great for RDP, OnlyOffice preserves Microsoft office formatting well, KDE's network manager has working VPN connections for Cisco and Palo Alto, and I do a lot from the browser (email, O365 admin,etc).

There is friction, though. As mentioned the sleep issues. Never fun getting to a site and finding a hot, dead laptop in my bag because it decided to wake up and not go back to sleep.

For things that HAVE to be done in Windows I have a VM I haven't powered on in a months or two, and a "tech" server to rdp to with more network access.

I'd also like to get more familiar with Nix. I can handle system settings and packages from the Nix repositories, but packaging my own software is something I'd like to learn (software and printer drivers for Ubuntu/fedora, etc).

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago

the sleep issues.

Ah, the life of a sysadmin

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago

When I got into the company I was allowed to use Linux. But a few years ago the company was bought and merged with a much bigger company and the new IT policy made Windows mandatory.

[-] Psyhackological@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

I'm sorry for your loss.

[-] bekopharm@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago

What are your experience?

My last "real" Windows experience was with WinXP and every time I have to touch Windows at the PC of a customer, which happens sometimes when the stars align, I feel like the first human that ever walked the earth.

I have no idea how people get any work done on a system that is constantly nagging for attention, popups, restrictive Enterprise environment and non descriptive error messages. Nothing in this world seems to make sense or is presented in a unified way. Every dialogue or sub system seems to be it's own isle stemming from another decade of tech. The experience for someone who is simply not used to Windows any more due to missing exposure is horrible.

Heck a Mac feels alien to me too but in the end that's still a system I could deal with given some time.

Mebbe I'm spoiled by stuff like systemd, PipeWire, Wayland, btrfs and all that candy we get nowadays on a Linux desktop. I'm not even talking about privacy or FOSS principles at this point. Just the fact that the system doesn't get in my face with ads or AI or "very important reboots" seems to be a revelation in 2024.

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i use a linux laptop; but then they got bought out and our new overlords won't let me get another one.

i've had it for 5 years now since i didn't want switch to mac during the last 2 refresh periods; but it's only a matter of time before it dies.

i think i'll just switch jobs when it does. lol

[-] Psyhackological@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Mac is still better evil than Windows but same thinking.

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[-] Thomrade@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Ive just started in a government IT role; everything is windows, I use windows myself at home for games, but run WSL for hobby dev, home server management and stuff like that.

This is my first sysadmin role, having come from a Dev background, and administration on windows feels like such a chore. Everything takes ten steps to do, lots of issues, and feels very counter intuitive. I am not enjoying it at all. I suppose actual large scale Linux adminning probably has the same issues and I'm putting it down to lack of experience, but there's so many small niggly issues that I know I could solve if this was a Linux environment that I can't due to how windows is set up.

I'm hopefully getting to move into a more hybrid dev/admin role for some web stuff, but I firs thave to convince my boss to let me install WSL so O can have a sane dev environment for web dev.

[-] bravemonkey@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Sounds like you need to familiarise yourself with PowerShell and Group Policy.

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[-] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago

Wdym with linux can be broken?

Don't mess woth the system and go atomic. Fedora atomic kde or gnome or wm

[-] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 days ago

Wdym with linux can be broken?

Linux mint kept harassing me to install the official drivers for my wireless card, so I did. It broke my ability to use WiFi.

I told Linux while in presentation mode I did not want the screen to sleep, it took that as sleep after 5 minutes.

Every time the laptop sleeps/restarts my screen resolution is borked, half the time the correct resolutions are not available and I have to disconnect all my monitors, restart, then connect the monitors.

Most solutions I hear are use a different distro, learn command line, you should not be using Linux if you cannot fix this stuff.

That is what i mean when I say Linux can be broken.

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[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I got my IT department to allow me to use WSL2, because I have to clone and patch the Linux kernel for our embedded linux device.

😁now I can install stuff, for which I otherwise would have need windows admin privileges, into WSL2, like steam (just for the fun of playing a windows game over proton on a ubuntu install on WSL2 which is just linux hyper-v emulation on windows -> games run very bad and seem do not use the nvidia card in the laptop 🤭)

So my setup is for work windows running WSL if needed, at home, I have a macbookpro11,3 dual boot BigSur and up to date endeavourOS(Arch+KDE) as allrounder devices, a game PC running endeavourOS(Arch+KDE) (NVIDIA 970), a raspberry Pi W2 running my homebridge, an iPad pro for easy webapps (configure *arr services) and streaming. Other not so much PC coputing devices available are PostmarkedOS pine phone, TvOS running Atv, various game consoles with most CFW installed, and many iPhones (collected over time, self bought is only iPhone 4s, 5, 6, X and 12mini)

So, I use them all big OSs 🤔 well, not really android anywhere.. 😁 I just recognised that my router is BSD based (OpnSense)

[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

Yes, I use Fedora and love to break the permissions of shared Office-Documents. /s

The only thing I have learned is not to go too deep into customisation. Because people watching me using hyprland are some kind of disgusted.

I just use KDE with dark breeze theme. That's enough and nobody gets hurt.

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