I know a startup tried to do phone reflection in VR, that is, to mirror a phone's display into a render layer, and try to use the phone's touchscreen as an input for that 'display'.

they went out of business. I wonder if they ever got their patents figured out. seemed like promising tech.

I don't see them turning a profit on the market after killing their competitors. I don't get their angle. Unless they can offer something truly transformative, they're going to put themselves out of business doing that.

But yeah, they have this all in on VR/AR mentality which I don't see working out. Killing the competition does guarantee no one else makes a good product either.

capitalism <3

I mean there are, it's all just extremely subjective.

Pistol Whip is musical John wick simulator, with community made levels. This is pretty much the pinnacle, IMO it's better than beatsaber which is a little more boring for me. Then there's the story based and multiplayer based FPS games, alongside the rhythm ones. Arizona Sunshine, Superhot.

There's Vermillion, which is a VR painting simulator. It's incredible as an artist with a small space and not having to clean up afterwards. There's also SculptrVR for modeling, SynthVR for music (synthesizers) which IMO is actually a quintessential piece of software as an actual synthesis rig is thousands of dollars, rooms full of space, and in this game it's all available to you. There are a number of other games depending on your hobby preferences.

And then there's space/relaxation simulators, on their own are great, but can be further enhanced with various software. For example, one of my favorite passtimes during lockdown was Elite Dangerous with my phone connected to my computer using SCRCPY, brought into VR as an overlay. So I was space trucking with Netflix and didn't have to remove my headset to interact on my phone.

And then there's murder simulators like Gorn and Blade and Sorcery, which also is the best Star Wars simulator.

So even your post doesn't hit the problem on the head. There's a few compounding issues.

First and foremost - the cost of the device in tandem with the lack of publicity. It's no question that Blade and Sorcery and Beatsaber are well known VR games, but neither of them are marketed very well by their teams. Understandably so, how much ad money is worth putting into a VR game. But it's hardly marketed by the headset sellers themselves, which you would think would be something desirable.

Second - the reality. Headsets are heavy. Moving is hot. Even if you do get your VR setup, really fun games translated to VR like Holoball (basically just racketball) can actually get you pretty sweaty. The other reality is space is a factor. Even though I have a smaller house I still got VR, but using it in a smaller house can be compromising.

Third - back to marketing, but with subjectivity. I would argue that there is killer software out there worth making VR worth having, the issue is that no one knows about it. Know one knows that SynthVR exists and let's you save hundreds of thousands of dollars if you want to play with synthesizers without having to purchase all the parts for racks. Vermillion is incredible for aspiring painters and regular artists who may be low on materials or space, or I'mOpenBrush if they're looking for the 3D VR art side.

Finally - VR has a really difficult time with multiplayer. Without it, longevity can be shortened. With it, there might be no longevity at all because the game cost $20 and the headset and the cost of the PC that can run it and no one has even heard of Revolv3r. So while some games like PavlovVR somewhat takeoff and are successful, other games might have you waiting in a lobby for forever. Additionally, after the Vive there was a bit of a falloff of developer interest, and so there're a fair number of games from 2016-2017 which look promising but are entirely abandoned, or might not even work on modern headsets (not so much an issue anymore now that Microsoft is ending support for Reality Portal.) This makes it even harder to find games for VR since you're effectively sorting through a graveyard with a mix between hardware compatibility and something actually worthwhile.

There are a ton of fun VR games, fully fledged and arcade style, and there's a lot of great software. I just don't think people know about them, they're hard to find, and they're a bit locked behind a pretty significant price disparity.

My comment they were replying to didn't touch this, so they weren't responding to that. However, I disagree we need some "killer app" to make adoption more likely. It'd be great, but I don't see it happening. There's nothing really that is done in VR that can't also be on traditional displays. The advantage is immersion. It just has to be at a price that people find worth it.

People, especially companies, don't like talking about this because it's "obscene" or something, but, like so many things, I think porn is the way to sell VR. It gives an experience that, while still available in traditional formats, is quite different. It's not a "killer app" but does provide distinct advantages not seen anywhere else.