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[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 27 points 11 hours ago

Ugh, what a shit article. It mentions exactly one model, a Dacia, that has been already on the market for some time, and a Renault prototype coming maybe in 2026. There is nothing like what the headline suggests as far as I can tell.

[-] Phineaz@feddit.org 14 points 10 hours ago

Thanks, I was afraid I had missed a wave of new releases of German car makers finally getting of their arses - not that I'd mind, but no, they didn't.

[-] Luccus@feddit.org 29 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

SUVs, anyone?

No?

We also have crossover SUVs.

Maybe a SUV mixed with a coupé?

Still no?

How about a Combi mixed with a SUV?

Our cheapest option?

That'll be 30.000€.

Electric? No. That one isn't electric.

For that you'll have to upgrade to our eSUV.

Why… why are you leaving?

[-] magikmw@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

Me in a dealership: shitty sedans and suvs. Oh, what's that? I left in a minivan.

[-] Fallenwout@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago

Probably still made in China.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago

France is building it's own EV manufacturing infrastructure so no.

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 6 points 11 hours ago

Where are the batteries made? Where does the lithium for them come from?

I'd hate to buy a greener car that is actually not.

[-] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 10 points 10 hours ago

EV Bullshit Bingo from 2018 called, it wants it's argument back

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 hours ago

No matter the source and even if you get electricity produced using coal, the car is better for the environment after less than 50k miles

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Sodium batteries are coming, and lithium batteries can be recycled so a lesser evil I guess.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 11 points 13 hours ago

Very interesting. I wonder how those manufacturers are planning to make these cars cheaper? Do they just have a smaller battery, or do they go with LFP instead of NMC or NCA?

[-] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 13 points 12 hours ago

probably buying batteries from china, since there is no one even close to competitve with them, like BYD's Blade battery. And then competing on everything else, for example by cutting down on all the superfluous crap they put in to massively overinflate car prices over the last 20 years.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 16 points 12 hours ago

Or do they also get subsidiaries from their governments?

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 6 hours ago

Ring-a-ding-ding-ding!

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 7 points 12 hours ago

Renault has been doing the Zoe at roughly this price point for about a decade already, although there was a monthly lease on the battery so there's an ongoing cost. I see quite a few of them going around here, though they're not a huge presence. They're simple but pleasant on the inside

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 hours ago

LOL, “batteries not included” has a whole new meaning now.

[-] cron@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago

Not really. It is clearly a thing of the past, when batteries were expensive and not as reliable as today. Don't forget that the zoe was released 10 years ago.

[-] Jayjader@jlai.lu 4 points 11 hours ago

Good. Much better than that auto exec who was suggesting tariffs on imported EV vehicles would be needed to "save" Europe. I want to say it was BMW but that might just be my own bias against them speaking.

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