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[-] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 6 days ago
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Ananas

Bananas

:-/

[-] sxan@midwest.social 5 points 5 days ago

You can't include English in any rational discussion about languages. It breaks every rule, and isn't one language, but a pidgin of three or four. It's a bastard of a language, and what-about-ism involving English is so trivial it's not worth debating. You can always find a worse example of any language linguistic stupidity in English.

[-] Enkrod@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.

Writer James D. Nicoll

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[-] Unimperfect@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

In Castellano (Spanish from Spain), it's called piña.

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[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 128 points 6 days ago

"apple" used to be a generic term for fruit. So it's actually "fruit of the earth", the French are poetic like that

[-] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 58 points 6 days ago

“apple” used to be a generic term for fruit.

Oh, that explains the myth that Adam and Eve at an apple, when a specific fruit is never mentioned.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/apple

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

It also explain why we here in the Nordics call oranges "appelsin", as in a "Chinese apple".

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[-] Shapillon@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Also apples used to be small, tart, and acidic.

You wouldn't eat them as a dessert but as a basis for brewing alcohol.

It's wild how much fruits changed in recent times.

So much so that most zoo are stoppimg giving them to animals and switched to more leafy greens. They have gotten so sugary that they promoted tooth decay and obesity.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Than you, I was going to say modern apples have a taste and texture nothing like apples when this name was created.

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[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 132 points 6 days ago

The English for "ananas" is "pineapple", did the English really think they grew on pine trees?

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 66 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 70 points 6 days ago

It's their superficial resemblance to pinecones.

[-] raef@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Spanish conveniently missing

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[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 13 points 6 days ago

It's a bit cherry picked, but only a bit, since there are a few languages that just copied the English word later on.
Japanese and Korean come to mind.

[-] this@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That actually makes it funnier to me because ananas would be easier to pronounce in Japanese vs pineapple. Ananansu(u is silent) vs Painappuru.

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[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 38 points 6 days ago

"Apple" is Old English for "fruit", not specifically apple.

And apparently "pineapple" for the tropical fruit predates "pine cone", OE used "pine nut".

Earliest use of "pineapple" is 14th century translation for "pomegranate".

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[-] dogsoahC@lemm.ee 17 points 5 days ago

In a lot of languages the word for apple used to refer to all kinds of fruits, particularly new ones from more or less exotic lands. Pineapples also don't look much like apples, do they?

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Pomme de terre (IIRC) is a sad version of a underground apple.

Pineapples look like a pinecone but with a sweet fruit inside. Makes sense to me.

Then again horse apples, i.e., horse shit doesn't taste great at all. Then again, again: horse apples, the Osage Orange fruit, are inedible. Osage Orange is neither an apple or orange tree.

English 'tis a silly language.

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[-] renzev@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Why is this weird? "Apple" used to be the generic word for fruit in many different languages, it wasn't until recently that it took on the meaning of a specific type of fruit. I don't think calling potatoes "fruit of the earth" is at all strange. The English equivalent to this is the word "pineapple" -- a fruit that kind of looks like a pine cone.

[-] NickKnight@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

italian tomatoes have entered the chat and agree with their golden apples.

[-] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

if you think ground apples isn't an apt description, you've never eaten potatoes raw.

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

Recently I watched an press event with a Canadian politician, who was switching between French and English as we must sometimes. He was talking about a bag of apples (which his colleague was holding) costing a stupid amount of money. He made the mistake of saying a bag of potatoes, which i found fucking hilarious as I speak both languages and understand the mistake. Unfortunately for him, the people criticising him were morons and were like WHY WOULD HE SAY POTATOES IS HE STUPID.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

isn't apple used in many languages as a generic term for fruit?... it's not like pineapple has anything to do with apples either.

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[-] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 51 points 6 days ago

Some German speakers say "Erdapfel" which is literally "earth apple."

[-] Haus@kbin.earth 30 points 6 days ago

In Dutch, a potato is called aardappel, which literally translates to "earth apple" (aarde meaning "earth" and appel meaning "apple").

[-] HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Unsurprisingly, similar for us in Afrikaans.

"Aartappel"

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

American: "Have french people never eaten a good apple?"

Frenchman: "Have Americans never enjoyed a tasty potato?"

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[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

In Germany they are called Kartoffeln (which is also a slur for the Germans itself).
But potatoes are also called Erdäpfel (ground apples) or in southern dialect Krombire (bent pear).
More variants here:
Source (German): https://die-kartoffel.de/wissen/schon-gewusst/kartoffel-deutsche-dialekte/

[-] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago

So calling someone a potato in German is a slur?

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[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Let the language which is without sin cast the first stone.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

There was a time when "pomme" was used to name any fruit.

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[-] pseudo@jlai.lu 9 points 5 days ago

We also have a potato-like : word "patate". "Pomme de terre" is déformation of "parmetière" from the name of M.Parmentier who introduce potatoes to the french population.

[-] lugal@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

People seem to believe this so let me clarify:

Literally, “apple of [the] earth”. The word pomme used to mean "fruit" in Old French. The French construction originated, as calques, Dutch aardappel, Icelandic jarðepli, Persian سیب‌زمینی (sib-zamini), Modern Hebrew תפוח אדמה (tapúakh adamá), the rare English earthapple, German Erdapfel, etc.

wiktionary

In fact, apple was a catch all term for fruits in many languages from time to time, hence pineapple (originally meaning pinecone, later used for the exotic fruit because of similarity) or German Apfelsine (orange, literally apple from China), ...

[-] cazssiew@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

That's actually not true, 'ground apple' is a common name for different sorts of tubers in a number of different languages, going back to the latin 'malum terrae'.

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 6 days ago

good tasting apples are a relatively recent thing. They are one of the fruits where a good tasting one is rare and then has to propagated with grafts. Apples that grow from seed are not that great and before a certain point was mainly turned into cider and vinegar and such.

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[-] Davel23@fedia.io 14 points 6 days ago

Wait until you hear about pomegranates.

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[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

I grew up on a farm along a small river called the Pomme De Terre and we didn't grow potatoes. But we did have a potato lifter to harvest the 1/2 acre or so we would grow for our own consumption.

There was also a small county picnic area in the middle of nowhere by the same name. And no one knew why it was there.

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago

Meanwhile in Quebec, they call them patates

[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago

Actually sounds like you've never had a fresh potato, pulled right out of the ground and eaten on the spot

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