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Amazon cloud boss says employees unhappy with 5-day office mandate can leave (www.cnbc.com)

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[-] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Consequences aside, he has a totally valid point. They own the business, they are the boss, and they can decide. People might not like it, but in the end, it is their problem and people are free to change their job. People got a bit to comfortable lately and every single employee expects the company to be run just as they prefer. Even when you work fully remote, there are still people who find it really hard and stupid as they never get to see their collegues and spend the entire day just staring at the monitor. You will never make everyone happy, so why bother complaining. The decision has been made, take it or leave it.

[-] kittenzrulz123 4 points 6 days ago

The capitalist sits and laughs on their piles of gold while enjoying their immense power, one day in a not so distant future they will hold no power and their wealth will not save them from the righteous anger of the workers they once oppressed

[-] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

What immense power? You can hand in your resignation and all that power, money and piles of gold suddenly mean nothing when you don't have the basic component that makes the gears turn. Workers are also not oppressed, because workers can quit if it's not fitting for them. Staying there by free will to take the shit in is not oppression... We already have very mobile workforce that basically does job jumping every 2 years, and people are having less and less issue with simply quitting. So what is exactly the problem for the worker, expect that they want to work in a company, but on THEIR terms, and not the company terms?

Not defending Amazon in any way, but I think the playing field is quite level right now between the employer and employees. Both are free to make decisions, both are free to work together or part ways. So I am not seeing an issue other than the worker wanting to control how the company is run.

[-] clover@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago

Mmm boot. Tell me your opinions on the French or American revolutions next. No one was oppressed under a monarchy were they?

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[-] lilja@lemmy.ml 209 points 1 week ago

Well, yeah. Isn't the whole point of these foolish office mandates to get people to quit? That way they can reduce their workforce without the cost and negative press of another round of layoffs.

[-] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago

Layoffs are not bad press. Not to the shareholders, the only ones who matter to these types. I used to think "oh, layoffs mean the company isn't doing so good," but shareholders see "they reduced cost but lost no customers, thus increasing value of the company should it be sold."

[-] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 week ago

I hate that that’s the case.

I’ve been trying to lose weight, so I chopped off my leg just below the knee. I’m several pounds down, and I didn’t have to stop eating even a calorie. It’s amazing.

The only issue is that now I don’t have a leg and exercise may be difficult….

[-] aniki@lemmings.world 33 points 1 week ago

Yeah but that's FUTURE you's problem, not current you, so it's totally fine!

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[-] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Go into the office and waste every resource you can.

Plug in a fan + heater + aquarium + massage pad at your desk and leave everything on constantly even when you leave

Print every email and throw it in the trash.

Make coffee 50x a day and pour it down the sink

Flush a whole roll of TP every hour

Leave sinks on in the bathroom

Use entire tubs of soap to wash your hands

Turn on the microwave for hours at a time

Heat/cool office thermometer to force HVAC into overdrive

Open new browser windows until your computer crashes and repeat until the network goes down

Company wide meme emails that everyone participates in (team building) that crash servers and dominate inboxes

Pour sugar/crumbs everywhere so there's pest problems

FORM A UNION

(nuclear option) introduce bedbugs to all your bosses offices

[-] veeesix@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago

Ok waste paper, mhmm, coffee, yep, microwave, good thinking—

FORM A UNION

Woah, woah calm down Satan.

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 34 points 1 week ago

negative press

pretty fucked up that quiet firing via RTO bullshit is less negative press than just laying people off

[-] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

It's just less visible/explicit. It's still bad press when it gets noticed and called out like in this thread, it's just sneakier.

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[-] the_radness@lemmy.world 102 points 1 week ago

Engineering is a skilled trade. We need our own union like every other skilled labor group.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 70 points 1 week ago

I don't know about everyone else, but if that were my boss, they'd be severely underestimating my capacity for petty behavior.

[-] Odelay42@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

This is the part not being reported in the news.

Many of us are simply working half as much as we did when we were remote. It's not worth trying to impress these people. They hate us.

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[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 67 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m 47. I’m not a boomer (although I’m probably hella-old compared to most here) and I’d just like to say: What a bloody bunch of boomer-bosses.

“Have you tried disagreeing on a call! It’s hard!”

Grow up man, use the hand up feature and state your case. I work in a fully remote business and we have better meetings here than any office based meeting I’ve ever been in. Calendars are public, confluence is prevalent, slack is the lifeline (thankfully very little email) for everything; with a bunch of “banter”, hobby channels etc. We start every large meeting with a “one personal and one professional highlight” before we commence. I know the people here better than I’ve ever done my office based colleagues.

They are going to regret this. I do not know any developer who would prefer 5 days in the office. None. It’s not like Amazon’s compensation was that high. I really genuinely don’t understand how they expect to recruit.

[-] Ilflish@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Ironically I've found it's harder for people to run away in remote, people don't disappear from their desks and you don't have to chase them down. If they don't message back and it's urgent, you call and if they don't pick up a call and haven't marked themselves as such something's up. People are extremely dilligent about making sure they use status' due to the knowledge that people will assume that way.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 4 points 6 days ago

An office is also a great place to hide away as “busy”; shuffling around, a bit of time at desk, join a meeting and say nothing, coffee, lunch, shuffling, another meeting with low contribution and you’re gone. Doing nothing is just as easy, and less assailable, in an office.

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[-] Feelfold@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

It's tripping me up you had to point out you're not a boomer instead of just saying you're from Gen X.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 4 points 6 days ago

On Lemmy, anything above 30 is a boomer, so I thought I’d start by pointing it out :)

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago

I mean that's a relief. Could they not leave before?

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 1 week ago

So admitting that it's constructive dismissal?

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