@yogthos For all Germans, if this needs to be said.
You are not responsible for the sins of your fathers, and you are not required to support Israel out of German guilt for the holocaust.
It is not anti-Semitic to point out that the STATE of Israel is committing genocide!
Germans, the inheritors of the legacy of West Germany, simply merged aspects of Nazism into their liberalism while officially declaring Nazism illegal. Often with literal actual Nazis being given important places in power, especially to continue their Nazi anticommunist work. They did not internalize the actual lesson, obviously. They still support scapegoating and racism and apartheid and genocide, and just like the Nazis, twist it into a self-defense logic of treating the perpetrators as victims and their targets as aggressors.
Something like 20% (or more?) of those they have censored and thrown the book at for criticizing Israel and having solidarity with Palestine are Jewish. It is not merely a selective understanding that only violence against Jewish people is wrong, as they continue to happily do it. It is a consistent alliance with Imperialist, racist genocide as laundered through the aforementioned narratives.
We need more countries advocating for including Germany as a party to thus genocide, to both publicly shame them and to materially work against their ability to support it with weapons, money, and diplomatic cover.
But why Hitler, is that necessary?
That is the symbol for Germans doing a genocide is not not?
I am a german, I know what that means, but baerbock isn't doing a genocide. What annoys me is, oh look, a German says something, he is Hitler. Btw, where are you from?
Yes, she is literally a part of a government that is currently actively involved in a genocide conducted in Gaza. Germans are supplying the weapons used by Israel and Germany is directly complicit. I'm from Canada, and Canada is also complicit. I have no problem criticizing the actions of my government and their fascist policies.
In germany we say 'naja' and i think that fits.
Being German seems to make people less able to see the similarities. Almost as if your public education system has whitewashed the history, material realities, and tenor of Nazis and the Holocaust using the most effective means to do so: by having a strict and thorough public education system that discusses the overall topic to a large degree but leaves out any ability for Germans to recognize current yet rhyming causes, undercurrents, rhetoric and actions of genocidal racial supremacists. Germans can recognize a Swastika and (sometimes) punch someone for waving it around (some others still might salute it) but not the Lebensraum rhetoric from Israel, the ghettoization of Palestine, the genocide of Palestiniand, nor their own country's role in promoting all of these things for what it is. One thing that should not be hard to recognize is the flipping of aggressor into victim, of attack into a defense. That was Nazi rhetoric 101. Would you have symlathized with the "oppression" of "Aryans" by Jewish people? The "Judeo-Bolsheviks"!? Sounds like the answer could be yes.
Please do some reflection on what ethnic supremacy, genocide, and settler colonialism are - i.e. very Nazi things - and whether you oppose them.
I never denied that Israel is committing war crimes. I only said that Baerbock is not committing genocide, which is the core message of this Baerbock-Hitler picture.
I never denied that Israel is committing war crimes.
So is this you now downplaying the genocide? As in genocide denial? Because I said nothing about war crimes but I did refer to ghettos and genocide.
I only said that Baerbock is not committing genocide, which is the core message of this Baerbock-Hitler picture.
She's just materially, diplomatically, and rhetorically supporting one. Do you get the reference now? Wiederholen sie auf Deutsch: "I should be against genocide. The Nazis did genocide and many people helped them. If I support genocide people will compare me to Hitler and they will have a point."
Go ahead infowarrior, u do it well
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Genocide has occurred through many different mechanisms. You are dithering about the exact form in order to engage in genocide denial. You should be ashamed.
The Nazis' genocide was not only their death camps, either, which you would know if you cared about the history or this topic. They would massacre entire villages, turn neighborhoods into ghettos and kill entire masse, including when they fought back (like the Warsaw Ghetto), they would shoot individuals on the spot when they were located. They would siege civilian centers and starve or kill at will.
Ok Hamas Fanboy
Yes of course I support the resistance against genocidal apartheid, thank you for the compliment. You think I would be upset by comparison to the ANC or WWII partisans?
Of course you have no real response to what I said, your genocide denial is a form of cowardice.
So you're just a religious fanatic, blinded by propaganda. Hamas is just as criminal as Israel, both bring death and misery to the people. Partisans, I'm not laughing.
Incorrect on all counts. And I see you are still too afraid to engage with what I said.
Schade.
Oh, du kannst deutsch? Ich bin nicht zu ängstlich mich mit deinen Argumenten auseinander zu setzen. Du bist nur in einer falschen Sichtweise gefangen. Schau über das Ganze und du wirst sehen, dass es nur um Macht für eine Elite geht, denen sind Menschen scheißegal. Es geht nicht um Religion oder Widerstand oder dergleichen. Es geht nur um die eigene Macht und dafür wird eine Propagangeschiene gefahren und das von beiden Seiten.
Germans are taught to recognize genocide and fascistic actions through aesthetics, not substance. Consequently they continue to support both, including through the classic, intentional dissembling and deflection from such things, as you are doing now.
I prefer that genocide deniers use a language that most people here will understand. But yes, I can see and understand what you and your compatriots say, especially when you think nobody else is reading.
Ok Schreibtischtiger, dann zieh los und verändere die Welt.
The genocide denier is giving advice. How kind!
This is no advice, this is a request.
It is a command, really, one that continues a pattern of cowardly deflection from and attempts at trolling for genocide.
German Lemmitors aren't beating the charges.
Is this all, come on Fanboy, rant a little more, i am not impressed.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Now i am confused.
Genocide-apologetic German asking for someone else's nationality? Where have I seen this before?
A religious fanatic tells lies, where have I seen that before?
There's only one religious person between us both, and it's the one that subscribes to the religion of Settler-colonialism.
But the lies part is true, pathetic.
baerbock isn't doing a genocide.
Enthusiastic support for a genocide is not much better and arguably the same
Otherwise you would risk being taken serious.
I found no attribution of source, neither on the article by MEMO, nor on similar snippets posted to YouTube by other publications. Seeing only a few sentences of her speech without context made me curious to read the whole speech. Here it is: https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/newsroom/-/2679468, with the paragraphs in question translated (Sorry for not translating more, I don't have DeepL Premium):
We have made it just as clear - and this is not a contradiction, but a complement - that international humanitarian law and Israel's right to exist go hand in hand. This is what the German raison d'état stands for. That is why we have stated it clearly time and again: Self-defense naturally means not only attacking terrorists, but destroying them. That is why I have made it so clear that when Hamas terrorists hide behind people, behind schools, then we are entering very difficult areas. But we will not duck away from them. That's why I made it clear to the United Nations that civilian places can also lose their protected status because terrorists abuse it. Germany stands by this, for us it means Israel's security. And because the resolutions have been mentioned: We are pursuing a policy of action. In view of the resolutions, which state that humanitarian aid must reach Gaza, that the two-state solution can be the only goal if we really want security for the entire region, but which also contain some sentences that Germany does not share, we cannot say: we are closing our eyes, we are not finding the strength to differentiate, as a mother of a hostage who has been killed finds in the most difficult hour of her life.
Nazi Germany is still alive, the antisemitism is just redirected towards Palestinians
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