If they did not collect any information, they would not have any information to give when they are served a subpoena.
How else would they store and sync the information?
Encrypt it end to end with them not having the keys
They do have to retrieve old messages when new users join though. I’m sure the government can force them to lett them in a server and unlock the roles
Sync from another online user. If each message is signed by the author, there's a built-in protection against tampering.
It's really not hard, they just have to care enough to build it that way.
Discord sucks and nobody should use it.
The only thing that really sucks about it is that knowledge that was openly searchable is now locked away behind logins.
no, you're also effectively locked out of any participation unless you provide an email address and phone number, which they won't even tell you about in advance but use dark patterns and gaslighting that they noticed "suspicious activity" to step by step first ask you for an email and then once that is validated they prompt you for a phone number. the only thing they don't do yet is ask for ID.
Validation level is set by server owners, you are unlikely to need to verify a phone number except in the biggest (and therefore spammiest) servers
it doesn't seem to be server specific because once prompted there is no way to use the account again, even if you decided to just not use a server that may have these settings set.
Odd, I've never had that experience. Maybe you're using a VPN or something that makes your IP look more suspicious.
Yeah, I've never needed to add a phone number.
I keep trying to take out my phone number because I don't want strangers seeing that shit, but... then "suspicious activity" gets detyected seconds later...
While this is true, Discord has a massive user base, so it’s somewhat a privacy win for the common person
its still the old chicken&egg problem: if you dont have communities you dont have users, and if you dont have users you dont have communities
thats why everyone sticks to discord
Well, you are on Lemmy aren't you
And he's the only one.
We are all Estebiu alts.
Well yeah, cuz there are quite a lot of communities and users already
Matrix is promising, but I think it still could use a bit more polish. That said, I run a discord community, and soon one of these days I'm going to make a Matrix version of it and encourage users to try it out. Though very few probably will.
I say we return to IRC
Discord is a fantastic IRC replacement.
The issue is that people try to use it to replace forums, wikis, personal websites, issue trackers, git, and the kitchen sink, and it does none of these.
Exactly. It's like IRC w/ audio (and probably video now?) chat, and you can post gifs and whatnot. It should be used for discussion, and it's perfectly okay for that. I would prefer something a bit more privacy focused (again, IRC is decent here, just needs some cryptography), but it's okay.
But yeah, not a fan of it being a resource for anything beyond meeting like-minded people to have discussions with.
What's a good alternative that allows easy instant message, voice and video calls, and makes it easy to group my friends by game?
I have been using revolt, going to setup my own server once I get better lol, last 3 times have been a cluster fuck to get it working. I got mattermost working the first try but it's a slack replacement not discord.
Your phone.
Not really no. SMS is nowhere near as versatile as a service like Discord in terms of being able to meet new people or have conversations that don't overload unrelated but potentially interested people with notifications.
Matrix?
I only put ? Because I don't know what you mean of grouping your friends by game.
Like a server/channel where everyone in it is both your friend and a player of that game or a contact group that manage so you can see who is that.
There is no alternative that can do the same
Good.
Discord sucks at such a fundamental level that the lack of any competing apps for this particularly awful niche actually restores some of my faith in humanity.
Life has gotten better since I dropped it. Moved a dozen or so people over to Signal and have been running with that ever since.
I do miss the ability to easily stream games, though.
Discord still sells your information for advertising so it's meaningless posturing.
I'm gonna get flak for this but no, Discord does not sell any user data, no matter how many times people keep repeating it. Quoting a legendary redditor here:
Discord's privacy policy repeatedly states that they do not sell your personal information:
We don’t sell your personal information. Our business is based on subscriptions and paid products, not from selling your personal information to third parties.
We make money from paid subscriptions and the sale of digital (and sometimes physical) goods, not from selling your personal information to third parties.
We do not sell the personal data of our users or share personal data for targeted advertising purposes.
No sale or “share” of personal information: The CCPA sets forth certain obligations for businesses that sell or “share” personal information. We do not sell or share the personal information of our users as defined in the CCPA.
This is a legal document that they will get in trouble for if they were lying. They've already been fined hundreds of thousands of euros for GDPR violations but that curiously did not include a fine for "took people's personal information and then sold them without consent whilst explicitly saying they didn't do that"
Discord further has no third party advertisements which they can use to "sell" your data by allowing those advertisements to target you.
Not meaningless but certainly undercuts the grandstanding.
Yes, the authorities will have to pay for data like everyone else.
And that's job creation right there!
Thanks to Discord, I'm able to keep merchants that "connect overbearing authoritarian entities with the data they shouldn't have, at a price point we all can agree on" at stable, sub-full time employment status.
Truly, pillar of the economy, er community.
The attorney called Nexon’s demands “improper and overly burdensome”
They will give you up in a heartbeat as long as they don't have to do the extra work of finding you.
Discord isn't protecting anyone's privacy just their bottom dollar
Discord is committed to fulfilling its obligations under the law
Of course it's Nexon.
I had a server with a respectable size.
Did a hard cutoff due to some stupid discord thing.
I managed to get a total of 50 people of about 3k to switch and out of those like 7 actually stayed.
Yet I had to get a burner account again to get in touch with certain people.
Its all be man.
Well, I have no First Amendment rights, so there's that.
I'm not exactly clear on the legal structure for digital platforms, but if you're physically in the US, you have first amendment protections, regardless of citizenship or residency status. So as long as your group has some US persons in it, you should benefit from their first amendment protections. That said, the first amendment (and fourth, which is about unlawful searches) only applies to governments, so the service you use needs to refuse to hand over data for it to matter at all.
It's kind of like people in the US (e.g. me) benefiting from European GDPR protections. Some sites I use now have the option of demanding my deata be deleted, and many sites have cookie preferences, none of which are required in my area.
That said, I definitely trust technological measures more than legal ones. So I don't use Discord, because I don't trust their technological protections. Ideally, Discord wouldn't have any data to give up, and therefore there wouldn't be a choice here, they would have no data to give up.
Sad am forced on this app, I love matrix more.
I know the feeling. Similar thing happened in a discord I'm in. Rate limit ban on a leader account, no response from support even via burner, then jumped ship to a new one that could actually be managed.
At least discord has to foot the storage costs of a dead server pestered with bots because of their own incompetence.
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