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Discord defends itself against efforts to stop piracy on its platform by saying no to more invasive data collection. Even though Discord isn’t exactly known for privacy, this is a great move for its users. What are your thoughts?

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[-] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 214 points 8 months ago

If they did not collect any information, they would not have any information to give when they are served a subpoena.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 28 points 8 months ago

How else would they store and sync the information?

[-] Grunt4019@lemm.ee 61 points 8 months ago

Encrypt it end to end with them not having the keys

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 23 points 8 months ago

They do have to retrieve old messages when new users join though. I’m sure the government can force them to lett them in a server and unlock the roles

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Keep the data but encrypted. Let users send links that contain the pki info to decrypt the messages. Have that pki info generated client side.

Discord would only need to shuffle data, provide authentication, and provide the web app data down to the client. But every bit of user shared and generated content would be encrypted to them.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 8 months ago

Like I said, Discord can still be compelled to let feds join the server, thus receiving the PKIs.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

If the the pki is generated by users client side by a secret discord doesn't control it wouldn't be an issue.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 8 months ago

Either you share the message history to new users (which includes feds) or you don't have any history. I don't understand what you mean

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

The server provides the data to authenticated users and helps facilitate pki between the clients.

If someone is added by the server to have access to the data but wasn't given a key capable of decryption by an actual user they wouldn't have actual access, just encrypted data.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago

Sync from another online user. If each message is signed by the author, there's a built-in protection against tampering.

It's really not hard, they just have to care enough to build it that way.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 8 months ago

Can't feds also sync them from other users?

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Sure, if they're granted access to the channel. But that access would come from users of the channel, not the service itself, and if the service doesn't store the keys (i.e. you need at least one user online to get access), the service can't really help the feds.

And whether to provide access to history for new users can absolutely be a setting on the channel. I'm just saying that having the messages only on the clients doesn't preclude sharing those messages with a newcomer.

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