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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 195 points 8 months ago

Imagine living in a 1950's time bubble. You are being constantly told through propaganda that your military force is cutting edge and that it can easily overwhelm any enemy.

Then you are being sent to fight on a battlefield where everyone has better gear than you, where you are confronted to weapons that are so far advanced beyond anything that you've ever seen they might as well be magic. Then you see said weapons completely obliterate your comrades without giving you a chance to even see the enemy who operates them.

You only obeyed so far because you feared what your government might do to you if you didn't. Now you've found something that you fear even more.

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 67 points 8 months ago

imagine them seeing the drone for the first time.

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago
[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

For the first and last time 😟

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago
[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Hey (pointing skywards), is that a dro....

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 8 points 8 months ago

An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilizations encountered just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop.

[-] Zess@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

You're also used to standing around guarding a border all the time, not experiencing actual combat at all.

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

And by "guarding the border" it really means "shooting anyone trying to escape"

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 months ago
[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 39 points 8 months ago

Novel? As in a book of fiction? This is happening right now. I am sure some video of this will come out of this sad story and maybe in a few years some of these people who surrendered will be able to write their own story first hand. (I am assuming they will not want to go back to nk).

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago

Yeah, a fictional account of a current situation is pretty preposterous, you’re right. Dunno what I was thinking.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I threw it into ChatGPT, then asked them to change the name from Henry to one common in Korea.

In-soo had always believed the stories. The glossy propaganda reels, the posters of steely-eyed soldiers, and the speeches from government officials all painted the same picture: his country’s military was unmatched, unstoppable. Though the world had advanced, In-soo’s nation remained locked in a past vision of itself, proudly touting its military might, using technology that hadn’t evolved much beyond the 1950s. Tanks, planes, and rifles that his father might’ve used were still standard issue. It was enough, they said, to overwhelm any enemy.

But when they arrived on the battlefield, the illusion shattered.

The air was thick with smoke and dust. In-soo clutched his rifle, a relic from an era that felt like ancient history. He could hear the hum of something—machines, weapons, drones? He didn’t know. The enemy was out there, but they remained invisible, their presence felt only through strange, high-pitched frequencies and flashes of light. He had been trained for combat in a conventional sense, but this wasn’t war as he understood it.

A blinding flash erupted in the distance. Seconds later, half his squad was gone, reduced to nothing more than ash. No gunfire, no warning—just a blip, and they were vaporized. In-soo froze. This wasn’t warfare. It was annihilation. The weapons being used against them were so advanced they were beyond his comprehension, like something out of a nightmare. Weapons that didn’t give him a chance to even see who—or what—was operating them.

“Stay together!” his commanding officer shouted, but it didn’t matter. How could they stay together when they couldn’t even see what was killing them? Panic surged through the ranks. Soldiers who had once stood tall, believing in their nation’s invincibility, now scattered in terror, desperate to survive.

In-soo crouched behind a rusted piece of machinery, gripping his rifle tightly, though he knew it was useless. He had been afraid of disobeying orders, terrified of what his government would do to him if he didn’t serve. But now, that fear felt insignificant. The enemy’s technology wasn’t just more advanced—it was like magic, bending the very rules of reality.

He glanced at the scorched earth where his comrades once stood, feeling a deep, gnawing helplessness. They weren’t soldiers anymore. They were bodies—disappearing in a war where they never stood a chance. In-soo had always feared the consequences of deserting or refusing to fight, but now, a new terror gripped him: the realization that he was facing something far worse than his government’s threats.

The certainty that had once bolstered him was gone. All that remained was the fear of an enemy he couldn’t see, couldn’t fight, and couldn’t even begin to understand.

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 136 points 8 months ago

Well that's one way to escape North Korea I guess.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 101 points 8 months ago

my first thought when nk sent troops was what an opportunity to get out of nk.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

NK probably loves the idea of less people?

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 84 points 8 months ago

I know a good number of North Koreans would love to defect if there weren't going to be consequences for their families back home. Put those people in a situation where they can just disappear and have it explained as being honorably slain in combat? Seems like a golden opportunity if the country they defect to doesn't just send them back.

[-] PyroNeurosis 72 points 8 months ago

I know a good number of North Koreans...

How do you know so many North Koreans?

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago

Hah, got me there.

I did actually meet a North Korean once when I spent a fair bit of time in Seoul during a study abroad program, but she "defected" as a child (read: smuggled into the South via China by some Christian group) and didn't really have much recollection of what life in the North was even like. Definitely not many though!

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

One is more than a lot of us can claim.

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

One of my parents was in North Korea multiple times in the 80s as a tour guide from the Eastern Block, I remember hearing the stories about it when I was a child.

Cameras being taken, poverty housing blocked off with walls, fake buildings and rooms, US soldiers watching them from the other side of the DMZ “negotiation building”.

I always took these stories for granted, and didn’t realize for a long time how special and unique these experiences were. When I tell my Western EU colleagues they always drop their jaws.

[-] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

I'm a quarter NK. All the NKs I know are dead tho

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[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Hi Kim, me and my whole family wants to def .. go to Ukraine and die for you!!

The whole family!

[-] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 54 points 8 months ago
[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 45 points 8 months ago

18 doesn't seem like many. North Korea must have sent thousands

[-] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

I think I read somewhere 3000 to that unit / region

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[-] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago

This is great news. OTOH, these deserters condemned 3 generations of their family back home.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

North Korean battle theme in Ukraine:

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 8 points 8 months ago

I imagine the sound from when you lose on The Price is Right.

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[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

I'll file this under "Most Easily Predicted Outcome."

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago
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[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 17 points 8 months ago

I’m not sure I trust any of these claims. The sources are all Ukrainian which means they are highly likely to be war propaganda at worst and heavily biased at best. No matter what anyone’s preconceptions about North Korea or Russia may be, independent verification is needed to know if any this is true.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago

Lemmy.ml attacking the Kremlin's enemies, what a surprise.

[-] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, they're pointing out the obvious. Newsweek isn't what it used to be, and the claims are all sourced from Ukraine, with no external on the record confirmations, yet.

Ukrainian media has a moral obligation to service the propaganda needs of the war. That's neither good, nor bad, that's just a part of being in an existential war for survival. I don't blame them for it, and I'm certainly not bashing them for, I'm just pointing out reality.

I can't speak for the person you're responding to, but I have no trouble understanding why North Korea would send thousands of support personnel to Ukraine as the logistical tail to support their weapons platforms. Western nations have been doing the same thing inside Ukraine.

Maybe the story is true, it's possible. But I'm going to need to see better sources provided then a Kyiv Post article citing unnamed Western officials or Newsweek using Ukrainian articles as their source information.

That's it. If anything, it's more unreasonable to not be skeptical of early reports coming from any war zone, whether you want to believe them, or not.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

The core of what they say is truthful, just like most propaganda. Why bother pointing it out? Why automatically doubt Ukraine, calling them very biased "at best"?

Because it's designed to undermine Ukraine and support the Kremlin and Pyong Yang.

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago

True, and Russia is always the one lying, it's their own strategy, Ukraine numbers are backed by CiA and UK intelligence right after, they actually lose support if they start lying, not Russia they only have lies, so fuck .ml

[-] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

I can't speak to that users motivations. I can only say that initial reporting out of any warzone should be viewed skeptically. I've already provided my rationale as to why, but ultimately, it's a personal choice.

I'd rather file away first reports as unconfirmed rumors, or incomplete assessments, until I've seen additional reporting from other sources I trust.

Maybe that user really is what you said they are, or maybe they just suck at articulating the point that I was making. I don't know.

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[-] Noobnarski@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

At least what Ukraine is claiming is somewhat based in reality compared to what russia claims.

According to russian sources, russia has destroyed some vehicle and plane types in higher numbers than ukraine ever had, yet Ukraine still has some.

Weird how that works.

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[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago

.ML user sharing Russia propaganda as always

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Yeah they’ll do that. You gotta make people want to stay

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