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More than 200 Jewish anti-Israel protesters arrested after storming New York Stock Exchange (nypost.com)

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At least 206 Jewish anti-Israel protesters were arrested Monday after hundreds rushed the New York Stock Exchange and staged a sit-in outside the Manhattan landmark, police said.

Scores of pro-Palestinian protesters wearing red shirts stormed toward the building on Broad Street in Lower Manhattan — then chained themselves to the doors just before the stock market’s opening bell at 9:30 a.m., footage shows.

A handful of demonstrators, who hail from the Jewish Voices for Peace group, could be seen removing their jackets as they set up shop outside the building — jackets they wore in a possible bid to conceal their anti-Israel attire and thwart any attempt to stop them ahead of time.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 98 points 2 months ago

Good for them and fuck the New York Post.

You can join JFVP for as little as $18 a year.

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/joinjvp/

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 months ago

But someone told me they are sending weapons to Israel for Jewish voters.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Demographic groups aren't monolithic, for what it's worth. There is definitely a large pro-Israel contingent of Jewish Americans, too. Not that they deserve to be pandered to, but just that no one is able to represent an entire demographic.

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Source? That's definitely not true for the younger jews and I think there's more of us now

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There source, apparently, is a poll taken of American Jews. And not a poll they understood very well:

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/

Along with the fact that most Israeli Jews want the country in which they live to exist, which... duh.

But, you know, America is the only country with Jews outside of Israel.

In fact, are there any countries besides those two?

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago

most Israeli Jews want the country in which they live to exist, which... duh.

Don't underestimate the number of Jews in Israel that want a 0 state solution. There are anarchist Israelis. There are antizionist Israelis.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh I'm sure there are plenty of Israelis who want that.

But from all I can tell, based on better polling than the person above provided, the majority of Israelis could be described accurately as Zionists.

Their poll was about emotional attachment. You can be "emotionally attached to Israel" because it's where the Western Wall is. It doesn't mean you're a Zionist as OP suggests.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Who elected you to speak on behalf of Jews?

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

This survey shows a majority of American Jews are Zionists. The percentage of Zionists is much higher among Jews living in Israel. That gives you a solid majority for Zionism among Jews.

Mods won’t like this post and delete it, just like the one you answered to. They might even ban me.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Funny how you cite a source that doesn't even contain the word "Zionist", "Zionism", "Zion" anything.

If you actually have a look at the data you can see there's very significant chunks that don't have an issue with BDS, that don't think that Netanyahu is in any way serious about peace. Those are not the frothing-at-the-mouth Kahanites that people on the US left often mean when they say "Zionist". Yitzhak Rabin was a Zionist. Murdered by a Zionist.

It's more complicated than that and may I remind y'all that Hamas specifically targeted Hippie Kibutzim during their attack, the same kind of people who go into the West Bank during olive harvest so that settlers have a harder time shooting Palestinians, which is one of the reasons why the Israeli government doesn't give a rat's arse about the hostages.

The biggest enemies of the Zionist project, currently, is the type of people running the Israeli government. Because if you're out for a place for Jews to call home, to live in peace and prosperity, antagonising the fuck out of everyone is not the way to go about it. Traitors to the movement, the lot of them.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

America and Israel. The only two countries in the world with Jews.

FACT.

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Together they contain more than 80% of Jews.

Recent Jewish population dynamics are characterized by continued steady increase in Israeli Jewry and flat or declining numbers in other countries (the diaspora)

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I see. So based on your "evidence," 60% of the percentage of the 80% of Jews that live in America in that combined 80% total of Israel and the U.S. are "Zionists" (even though that's not what your poll said).

This is what the poll said:

Among U.S. Jews overall, 58% say they are very or somewhat emotionally attached to Israel,

"Somewhat emotionally attached to Israel" is not Zionism by any stretch of the imagination.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

That survey says the opposite of what you think it does. Zionism now is essentially the Jewish version of white supremacy. It's radical. It's dangerous.

But when the survey you link to states quite clearly:

"And most Jewish adults took the position that God “did not literally give” the land of Israel to the Jewish people (42%) or said they do not believe in God or a higher power at all (24%)."

That's not Zionism as currently defined.

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Zionism is independent of being religious or secular.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

It's less about Jewish voters and more about pro-Israel campaign dollars.

Folks just have no clue how powerful the pro-Israel lobby is here. Combined with the zionist Christians it's kind of a nightmare.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?ind=Q05

https://apnews.com/article/squad-aipac-progressives-congress-cori-bush-0de0a96929368db72145b033261415ca

And their organization against progressive causes wasn't limited to the national level either, they interfered in LOCAL elections too.

https://www.opb.org/article/2024/06/20/major-pro-israel-group-donation-oregon-3rd-district-congress-primary-dexter-jayapal/

[-] small44@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

Fake democracy

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 months ago

I prefer the term managed democracy.

[-] shuzuko@midwest.social 15 points 2 months ago

Ah yes, managed democracy! Every citizen of Super America enjoys the freedom to make the right choice.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Eh, they disrupted a private business. They were absolutely trespassing. They knew they were trespassing. Forcing an arrest here is part of the civil disobedience and creating this headline.

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Oh no! Not a private business, whatever shall we do now?! Poor business has feelings too /s

[-] yankaremonsters@leminal.space 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

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[-] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

To be fair Germany has a right to tread lightly here

[-] Lekip 14 points 2 months ago

Given our history we should strive to do better in the face of atrocities, even more so. It really should not matter, that the state committing these crimes happens to be populated by many ancestors of people the Germans tried to exterminate. I would have thought our commitment to teaching about our historical failures would have taught that lesson to more of us. But apparently recognizing a genocide for what it is is hard still.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

They are not treading lightly. They have developed a transactional relationship with the Israeli right, where they get to rebaptise arms sales, domestic islamophobia, and unconditional support for whatever the Israeli right does as a stance against antisemitism. They shamelessly suppress Israeli leftist positions and diaspora jewish leftist positions and call that a stance against antisemitism.

Germany needs to tread lightly indeed, but that can't be just a blank check to Apartheid Israel. They owe more than one debt, exactly as Namibia has called it out.

If anything, Germany must first establish a national policy of Germany as a safe haven for Jewish people everywhere. If they were serious about their historic debt to their former victims, there should be a right to aliyah to Germany. Get their own shit in order first, then lecture others.

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fucking antisemites smh my head

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 82 points 2 months ago

Can I say as a JVFP member that this sort of sarcasm is really not helpful to us? Even when it's sarcastic, it still plays into the idea that if you're Jewish you support/should support Israel.

One of the things we're trying to do is work against that stereotype to show that wanting to end genocide has nothing to do with one's ethnicity.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

it still plays into the idea that if you're Jewish you support/should support Israel.

Even if my intent is that I'm explicitly mocking that idea for being bullshit?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 52 points 2 months ago

Yes. It should not be brought up at all. There are plenty of other ways to respond to this action.

As an example in a similar situation, I'm hoping you wouldn't say of a similarly protesting Palestinian group that you guess they're all terrorists. Even in sarcasm.

It's not productive. It doesn't convince any actual person who would say that in earnest that they're wrong. What they'll do, if anything, is say "yes, but seriously."

On top of that, Israel wants people to think Jew = Israeli. Just putting that grain of thought in people's heads can result in bad things over time.

So there are better responses. Even if you want to express this specific sentiment in a sardonic way. "Watch Israel call this antisemitism" would be one way to go.

I hope that makes sense.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's fair. I think the example doesn't fully fix it though. I'll come up with something that might even be considered funny (by someone, I'm sure) eventually

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

guess this one needed the /s homie. Oh well i gotchoo

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Oh I just assumed it was because of the "smh my head" part.

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[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 26 points 2 months ago

If you browse a news aggregator site, you'll notice how few of the headlines provide any indication the protesters were Jewish rather than just "anti-Israel" or "pro-Palestine". While the latter is a more precise descriptor of their organizing cause, the former is also a very important aspect for this protest. It's just not in line with the narrative the corporate news organizations have been cultivating.

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fuck Israel and the US. I recommend everyone to watch Democracy Now's piece on this

https://youtu.be/ztbvvcn0VNc?si=ZoxOgDAANqL4VJp7

Insane what our country is doing and has been repeatedly doing and still wants to do. If you somehow believe that the US is the "good guy" in any sort of circumstance you are completely and objectively incorrect.

You don't live in a democracy in the slightest.

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