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[-] JemandInChapinero@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Sorry man, I’m all for mixed use streets and all but these sidewalks look very nice, they should use it. In my country I also walk sometimes on the street because the sidewalks are in terrible conditions sometimes yet the streets are in perfect condition! So that is ~~mildly~~ SUPER infuriating to me. If they were always in a good state I would be glad to use them.

[-] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 116 points 4 months ago

I mean, say what you will about cars but the sidewalk is a dedicated lane for pedestrians. Walk on the street, fuck around and find out.

Plus if you’re walking in the road walk against the flow of cars not with. That way if a drunk driver (or just general asshole) comes swerving down the road you can see it and react.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 38 points 4 months ago

I’d like to know why this was downvoted. Walking against the flow of traffic so you can see what’s coming is sensible advice.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

my dad always said: walk facing toward traffic, and make eye contact with drivers, so they can be haunted by your face for the rest of their lives if they run you over.

[-] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Or you could just use the sidewalk?

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

A lot of the places I lived growing up didn't have sidewalks.

Rural roads man.

[-] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

90% of the streets in my neighborhood don’t have sidewalks and I live in a major city. Exactly half of one side of my block has a sidewalk

[-] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately, you probably live in a formerly red lined area. This is a vestige of the past institutional racism from your city. But setting that aside, I was referring to the actual sidewalk present in the photo

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

One example: 47°42'58.8"N 122°18'21.3"W

no, it's not redlining, these are the neighborhoods redlining was keeping black people out of.

cute attempt at whatever that was tho.

[-] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I'm aware, but in this exact picture, there is a sidewalk.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Fuck around and find out is a pretty shitty attitude towards people sharing a street. Is that the excuse you will give a parent after injuring a kid that chased a ball onto the street? It isn't like this is a highway, people have homes on the street. The street is not exclussively for cars, cars just tend to get the most space and priority.

[-] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago

Don’t share the street is what I’m getting at. I can’t and won’t share the sidewalk with my car, why should I share the street with pedestrians? The picture in the OP is not a kid running into the street for a sec to get a runaway ball. It’s people walking down the street with a sidewalk mere feet away from them. This isn’t the 1800s where there is no sidewalk and you had to contend with horses. Now there are multiple thousand pound death machines. Have a little regard for your own safety and use the dedicated lanes for people.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Drivers are expected to share the street with cyclists, in many places it is the law to provide a minimum distance for a cyclist. On a residential street like this, i don't see how some pedeatrians are a real problem or risk unless the driver is already driving unsafely. The street is not exclusively yours because you bought a car.

[-] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

Really, bikes should have their own dedicated lanes too (which some cities do have). Or laws should be changed to allow cyclists to share the sidewalk with pedestrians, but that’s a controversial opinion. I know in my city, cyclists are a whole other issue - they flout all the laws by riding the wrong way down the street, switching from the road to the sidewalk without getting off their bikes, they run red lights and stop signs, and yet when they get hit by a vehicle somehow it’s the vehicle driver’s fault. But that’s an entirely different conversation.

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 months ago

Walk on the street, fuck around and find out.

Maybe we need to bring back blóðhefnd . If a driver murders someone with their reckless driving, maybe they should live the rest of their life in fear that the surviving kin will do the same to them or their lived ones.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 57 points 4 months ago

I kinda understand him. If I have a sidewalk, I use it, simply because I don't want to fucking get run over by a car. However, the comments are also quite disgusting.

[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago

I do that all the time here in Europe and nobody gets mad. It's such an immense space and I don't want to be relegated to 30cm of sidewalk. People hang out in the streets and car drivers are chill

[-] bratorange@feddit.org 10 points 4 months ago

I think it still very much depends where in Europe you do that

[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Italy, to be exact. Maybe doing the same in Germany would make me end up with a fine

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah, in Germany you would maybe get in trouble, however this really, depends on where you're walking. But usually our sidewalks are big enough(as long as it isn't completely blocked by parking cars) so that you can walk there safely.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

This is more a case of Germany's excessively law-abiding culture, IMO. It's the same in East Asia: people waiting like zombies at a red pedestrian light even tho there's not a car in sight.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 points 4 months ago

That's also true

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Definitely not true in residential areas of Germany.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 1 points 4 months ago

I don't know where you live, but for my village I can say, that our sidewalks are big enough to comfortably walk there.

[-] bratorange@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately that is very likely.

[-] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I do the same in Japan. Most residential streets don’t have sidewalks so we share them with cars, pedestrians and bicycles. Some of the bigger streets have quite wide sidewalks (one car lane’s width or more) so I would use those.

But in this photo, the sidewalks are minuscule. I especially understand the dog walker choosing the road instead.

I’m happy that my town has started to widen sidewalks and reduce the width of roads to promote more foot traffic in the downtown area.

[-] josteinsn@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I lived in Morocco for three years and there it’s more common to walk in the street than on the sidewalk. Compared to the other places I’ve lived (Northern Europe), it’s strange, and the driving is more reckless, but no drivers got mad. Walking in the street is just what people do.

[-] Mobilityfuture@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago

We need a “fuck pedestrians” instance for this one guys

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If they're gonna walk in the street, I guess I'll drive on the sidewalk. 🤷🏻‍♂️

All for reducing or eliminating cars; but I'm not going to act like this ain't fucking stupid.

[-] bratorange@feddit.org 29 points 4 months ago

I feel like many people commenting are not familiar with walkable streets. They have however been very common for most of the time in history. Using the sidewalk is not really a good substitute for that. I used to live in a neighborhood where there were so many people on the streets on weekends, that u wouldn’t want to drive there even if it was technically a street. The quality of life there was amazing especially in the evening and on weekends.

[-] Harvey656@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Not enough context is given to know if weather or not that is true here or not. Such roads are rare, while I like them, this does not look like one of those situations froma glance. Therefore cars kill, gtfo the road.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

People from Bakersfield walk on the street, all over. Once you get used to it though it's really not that difficult to live with. I imagine if people still used roads for walking like before cars, we could figure it out.

[-] rolling_resistance@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

You don't deserve more space just because you bought F150.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 17 points 4 months ago

Maybe they do it to slow down traffic. It’s clearly a residential area. It could be that speeding is a problem.

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

It's been tried and tested. Human bodies barely slow a car down. It's much better to place something solid, like a concrete block

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Part of the problems is humans won't damage the paint on the cars. You want drivers to slow down, make them worry about their paint tends to be more effective than making them worry about hitting a pedestrian.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Just fill your pockets with balloons full of brake fluid. That way when someone hits you their car gets covered in brake fluid, ruining the paint job.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 3 points 4 months ago

I was assuming a rational driver who would slow down to avoid hitting people.

[-] sibannac@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

This lack of self awareness always astounds me. You are in a car, it transports you way faster than your own two legs, it protects you from elements with tons of steel and glass. The same steel that has tons of potential energy. Carless pedestrians are your inconvenience?

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Well, they slow you down and get your car all dented and bloody

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I get this sentiment but cars will kill you.

I don't care about whatever argument you have about the existence of cars, stay out of their way.

You might have the right of way, you might have the law on your side, you might fully well be in the right but.

The car wins. You either die or end up with permanent lifelong injuries.

Keep yourself safe above all. Bitch all you want but don't deliberately put yourself at risk to "prove a point" you'll just die or get fucked up for no reason other than pride.

[-] visnae@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Something Americans don't know about is that streets were shared spaces between pedestrians, cars, bikes, everything. Then cars got a bigger role and pushed everyone else to sidewalks. Then bars and restaurants also wanted part of that space for outdoor serving. Now pedestrians, bikes, bars/restaurants, bus stops, e-scooters and parking spaces, advertising signs, and trees share the side walk, which in turn has become much more narrow because of car lanes..

[-] Lobreeze@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

The post that finally got me to block this batshit crazy community

[-] bratorange@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago

Im glad to help.

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