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The Case for Kamala Harris
(www.theatlantic.com)
Won't destroy democracy: Check.
✅ Also has some good ideas
Which unfortunately will never get anywhere because the Republicans are almost guaranteed to win back the Senate...
It really sucks. Either Trump wins and gets the trifecta of control letting the fascists at the heritage foundation run rampant or Kamala wins but still loses the Senate and we get nothing but the statue quo for at least 2 more years... But if anything the Republicans will gain seats in the next cycle because they can point to the previous 2 years of nothing (caused by them) as evidence that Democrats suck...
Big sad. :(
I mean, at least she used to, before she started hanging out with Biden and dropped Medicare For All. Anyway, won't destroy democracy.
I prefer she doesn't promise shit congress will never pass
I prefer she show support for things she would pass if congress were willing. It doesn't have to be a promise.
This is why I support Vermin Supreme. Free ponies for everyone!
The distance between you and a Trump supporter is smaller than you realize.
I want Medicare For All and you think I could be a Trump supporter? You're not as clever as you think, we are nothing alike.
Reading comprehension is hard.
Is it? It's on you to express your ideas in a coherent way.
Judging from your response, apparently it is.
It's called being realistic about what president can do with their powers. She absolutely should encourage Congress to pass legislation as that is much more permanent and effective than executive orders
Being "realistic" doesn't mean expecting promises of things that Congress would never approve.
Then I should move to a country with single payer.
Why would I stay here if the United States will never end medical debt? Seems like a bad place to raise a family - especially when Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc exist
It is a bad place to raise a family and you should move
Dropped livable wages and a slew of other items
One wants to be a dictator, the other doesn't. They're the same! \s
The installed candidate won't destroy democracy?
Nope. Biden even gave up his chance at a second term as soon as the polls suggested Americans would not re-elect him. The complete opposite of what Trump would do (did) in that situation.
This is all pretty basic stuff really if you're not a lunatic like Trump.
Polls had zero impact on that decision. It was 100% threats of campaign money stopping from the donor class that made the call.
Yes, it's true that donors sometimes prefer giving money to candidates who have an actual chance of winning.
Notice how none of these Democrats or donors seem be saying "hmm, why don't we just steal it again like in 2020 and save our money!", whereas for Trump stealing tge election seems to be the only thing he ever put actual genuine effort into while in office.
“Installed”? Bro the very idea of a “primary” is pretty rare in the world so yea, the party chose a candidate to represent them in the election. Plus she’s currently the VP and so was, in part, already elected to a very similar job which is a pretty good endorsement.
Also if you voted for the Biden/Harris ticket four years ago, given Biden's age you were voting for VP to replace him too.
I see a comprehension of U.S. political party operations was not installed in your head.
This endorsement will not be controversial to Trump's antagonists. Nor will it matter to his supporters. But to the voters who don’t much care for either candidate, and who will decide the country’s fate, it is not enough to list Harris’s strengths or write a bill of obvious particulars against Trump. The main reason for those ambivalent Americans to vote for Harris has little to do with policy or partisanship. It’s this: Electing her and defeating him is the only way to release us from the political nightmare in which we’re trapped and bring us to the next phase of the American experiment.
Trump isn’t solely responsible for this age of poisonous rhetoric, hateful name-calling, conspiracies and lies, divided families and communities, cowardly leaders and deluded followers—but as long as Trump still sits atop the Republican Party, it will not end. His power depends on lowering the country into a feverish state of fear and rage where Americans turn on one another. For the millions of alienated and politically homeless voters who despise what the country has become and believe it can do better, sending Trump into retirement is the necessary first step.
If you’re a conservative who can’t abide Harris’s tax and immigration policies, but who is also offended by the rottenness of the Republican Party, only Trump’s final defeat will allow your party to return to health—then you’ll be free to oppose President Harris wholeheartedly. Like you, we wish for the return of the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, a party animated by actual ideas. We believe that American politics are healthiest when vibrant conservative and liberal parties fight it out on matters of policy.
If you’re a progressive who thinks the Democratic Party is a tool of corporate America, talk to someone who still can’t forgive themselves for voting for Ralph Nader in 2000—then ask yourself which candidate, Harris or Trump, would give you any leverage to push for policies you care about.
And if you’re one of the many Americans who can’t stand politics and just want to opt out, remember that under democracy, inaction is also an action; that no one ever has clean hands; and that, as our 1860 editorial said, “nothing can absolve us from doing our best to look at all public questions as citizens, and therefore in some sort as administrators and rulers.” In other words, voting is a right that makes you responsible.
Trump is the sphinx who stands in the way of America entering a more hopeful future. In Greek mythology, the sphinx killed every traveler who failed to answer her riddle, until Oedipus finally solved it, causing the monster’s demise. The answer to Trump lies in every American’s hands. Then he needs only to go away.
If you’re a progressive who thinks the Democratic Party is a tool of corporate America, talk to someone who still can’t forgive themselves for voting for Ralph Nader in 2000—then ask yourself which candidate, Harris or Trump, would give you any leverage to push for policies you care about.
This is contradicted by this:
Like you, we wish for the return of the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, a party animated by actual ideas. We believe that American politics are healthiest when vibrant conservative and liberal parties fight it out on matters of policy.
I don't want a return to party of Bush. I want the American people to have the highest standard of living in the world - not the people of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden.
If you're saying that Kamala will restore the GOP, then it seems that the American people will never be prioritized. In which case, we should all leave and emigrate to Scandinavia where their people are treated like human beings rather than servants
Like you, we wish for the return of the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, a party animated by actual ideas.
Emphasis mine. They're pining for the party of Bush because it was grounded in truth and ideas.
If you’re saying that Kamala will restore the GOP, then it seems that the American people will never be prioritized. In which case, we should all leave and emigrate to Scandinavia where their people are treated like human beings rather than servants
How on Earth did you get that from this endorsement? In fact, they said exactly the opposite:
only Trump’s final defeat will allow your party to return to health
That whole paragraph is prefaced with "If you’re a conservative who can’t abide Harris’s tax and immigration policies". They're not talking to you, they're addressing conflicted conservatives.
You really should have read it more carefully.
Bush lied about Iraq having WMDs and oversaw the patriot act, Guantanamo Bay waterboarding, and Abu Ghraib. He stole the election in 2000 in Bush v Gore. He was a fascist and damaged the US worse than Trump
If the US won't ever have single payer then we should emigrate to Denmark. Why would I want to live here?
What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read the endorsement? It doesn't even mention Bush.
What was McCains stance on all of the above?
Pining for the party of Bush is pining for evil and diminished living standards
None of that has anything to do with Kamala Harris. Again, what the hell are you talking about? That paragraph is addressing CONSERVATIVES.
You're saying Kamala will help restore the GOP to the party of Bush and McCain. That is a terrible thing to admit. The neoconservatives are monsters who harmed the country, to say nothing of the innocents abroad who were tortured and murdered
No. I'm not saying anything. I didn't write the fucking article.
So you agree with me and disagree with the article?
Typical
Where the eff is this BS from? They clearly said if you cut off the toxic poisoned head spewing hate and venom, the Republican Party can rebuild around ideas, policy, maybe even around morality (doubt). If you’re a conservative, that ought to be a good thing. If you’re pro-democracy, the renewal of two sane choices battling for ideas ought to be a good thing.
I’m sure I also would disagree with those ideas, but I welcome the competition, I welcome the possibility of respecting g our national leaders.
All I can say is that when Mitt Romney talks family values, he means actual family values. When Ronald Reagan said he’d trickle down on you, you could smell the urine. When Ross Perot talked about corporatism, he meant it
If you’re pro-democracy, the renewal of two sane choices battling for ideas ought to be a good thing.
I’m sure I also would disagree with those ideas, but I welcome the competition, I welcome the possibility of respecting g our national leaders.
If you're pro democracy then the restoration of the pre Trump GOP is a terrible thing. They were always this bad on policy, if not worse re: Iraq. It's just now Trump has taken the mask off.
It is in the interest of the American people for the GOP to permanently stay Trumpist, or get even more extreme. They can't win national elections when they are like this. Whereas the neocons and the Bushes are capable of winning. And they're drastically more effective and competent and harmful than Trump
If Kamala does anything to restore the GOP then she is a fool. Liz Cheney is competent which makes her more dangerous than Trump
"Welcoming the competition" is insanely out of touch. This isn't a game. This isn't a show. This is about power and how the American people are treated. We have terrible standards of living for a first world country. The GOP would make it even worse. Doing anything to strengthen them needs to be opposed. Otherwise we will never have the quality of life of Denmark. And if thats the case then every American with a brain should just emigrate to Scandinavia now
Otherwise we will never have the quality of life of Denmark
Eff that defeatist attitude. We should settle for nothing less, and it’s right there just ahead where we can almost see it. It is achievable, yes in the US. We need to prioritize it, vote for it, demand it.
Do I need to throw some tea in the harbor to get everyone’s attention?
You seem to be unfamiliar with Denmark.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown of each factor that contributes to Denmark’s high quality of life:
- Strong Social Welfare System
Denmark’s welfare model is often referred to as the "Scandinavian model," which is designed to provide a safety net for all citizens from cradle to grave. Key components include:
Universal Healthcare: Free access to healthcare means that all citizens and legal residents can receive medical treatment without worrying about costs. The healthcare system is primarily funded through taxes.
Unemployment Benefits: The state offers a generous unemployment insurance system. Individuals who lose their jobs receive financial assistance, typically amounting to up to 90% of their salary for a limited period, allowing them to live comfortably while they find new employment.
Retirement Benefits: The government provides state pensions to all senior citizens, ensuring that the elderly can live with dignity and without financial distress.
Free Education: All levels of education, including university, are free of charge, allowing everyone, regardless of socioeconomic status, to pursue higher education and develop their potential.
- Work-Life Balance
Denmark is renowned for its progressive labor laws and flexible working conditions. The country promotes an ideal work-life balance, which is a core aspect of Danish culture. Here’s how:
Shorter Workweek: The average workweek is 37 hours, allowing for plenty of personal time outside of work. There’s a strong emphasis on leaving work on time and not overextending oneself.
Generous Parental Leave: Parents are entitled to up to 52 weeks of paid parental leave, which can be shared between both parents. This allows families to spend time with their newborns without sacrificing job security or income.
Flexibility: Many Danish workplaces offer flexible working hours, which allows employees to adjust their schedules to better fit their personal lives, whether that’s for family time, hobbies, or exercise.
- Education System
Denmark offers a world-class education system that prioritizes not only academic achievement but also the personal development and well-being of students. Key features include:
Free Education: All education, from primary school to university, is free for Danish citizens and residents of the EU. This ensures equal access to educational opportunities for all, regardless of financial background.
Focus on Well-Being: Danish schools emphasize student well-being, encouraging a balance between academic achievement and personal growth. The school day is shorter than in many countries, and there is a focus on interactive and creative learning.
Lifelong Learning: There’s a strong tradition of adult education and lifelong learning in Denmark. Many people pursue further education throughout their careers, contributing to personal development and adaptability in the job market.
- Environmental Sustainability
Denmark is one of the most environmentally conscious countries in the world, with sustainability playing a key role in government policy and daily life. Major factors include:
Renewable Energy: Denmark has invested heavily in renewable energy sources, particularly wind energy. As of recent years, more than 40% of Denmark's electricity comes from wind power, and the country aims to be carbon neutral by 2050.
Cycling Culture: Copenhagen, the capital city, is famous for its bike-friendly infrastructure. More than half of Copenhagen’s residents commute by bicycle, which reduces traffic, lowers pollution, and promotes a healthy lifestyle.
Green Urban Spaces: Danish cities are designed with sustainability and green living in mind. Urban planning prioritizes parks, clean waterways, and eco-friendly public transportation systems, contributing to a cleaner and more livable environment.
- Healthcare
Denmark’s healthcare system is publicly funded and ensures that everyone has access to necessary medical services, regardless of income. Some key highlights:
Universal Coverage: Healthcare is accessible to everyone, financed through taxes. This means that there are no out-of-pocket expenses for services like doctor visits, hospital stays, or emergency treatment.
Preventive Care: The Danish system emphasizes preventive care to avoid more serious and costly medical issues down the line. Regular checkups and early interventions are encouraged.
Mental Health Services: Mental health care is integrated into the system, with access to psychological and psychiatric services. This focus on mental well-being complements the physical healthcare provided to citizens.
- High Levels of Trust
Trust is a key component of Danish society, and it manifests in both governmental institutions and interpersonal relationships:
Trust in Government: Danish citizens have a high level of trust in their government institutions, thanks to transparency and low levels of corruption. Denmark consistently ranks as one of the least corrupt countries in the world.
Social Trust: People in Denmark generally trust each other, whether it’s leaving babies unattended in strollers outside cafes or relying on community support. This level of trust reduces societal tensions and creates a sense of safety and mutual respect.
Transparency and Accountability: The government is open about its workings, and public services are delivered efficiently. This enhances public confidence in the system.
- Economic Stability
Denmark boasts a strong and stable economy with low unemployment rates, high wages, and a robust social safety net:
High GDP Per Capita: Denmark is one of the wealthiest countries in the world in terms of GDP per capita. The economy is well-diversified, with strengths in sectors like renewable energy, pharmaceuticals, and high-tech industries.
Low Unemployment Rates: Unemployment is consistently low in Denmark, thanks to a combination of a well-educated workforce and active labor market policies that encourage retraining and reintegration into the workforce.
Fair Distribution of Wealth: Income inequality in Denmark is among the lowest in the world. This is largely due to progressive taxation and generous welfare programs that redistribute wealth effectively.
- Equality and Gender Parity
Denmark is a global leader in gender equality, and this emphasis on fairness is deeply embedded in the country's values and policies:
Equal Pay: Gender pay gaps in Denmark are among the smallest in the world, and there are strong laws against discrimination based on gender.
Women in Leadership: Denmark has a high percentage of women in leadership roles, both in the private and public sectors. This has contributed to a more equitable workplace environment.
Parental Leave: Both men and women are encouraged to take parental leave, which fosters gender equality in both professional and domestic settings.
- Safety
Denmark is known for its low crime rates and sense of security:
Low Crime Rate: Denmark has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, making it a very safe country to live in. Violent crime is rare, and the police are highly trusted by the public.
Focus on Rehabilitation: Denmark’s criminal justice system is focused on rehabilitation rather than punishment, helping offenders reintegrate into society successfully and reducing recidivism.
Safe Public Spaces: The country is designed with safety in mind, with well-lit public spaces, safe neighborhoods, and reliable public transport, contributing to the overall sense of security.
These factors combine to create a strong foundation for Denmark’s high quality of life, contributing to the nation’s reputation as one of the happiest and most prosperous countries globally. The balance between individual well-being, societal support, and sustainable living has made Denmark a model of modern, high-quality living.
All those are good things. And yet the UN ranks Massachusetts higher in “human development index”, which is one possible way of quantifying that. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with Massachusetts?
Massachusetts has a higher Human Development Index (HDI) than many regions, including Denmark, but this doesn't necessarily reflect the standard of living of the average person. The HDI focuses on three main factors—income levels, education, and life expectancy—but it overlooks several key dimensions that influence everyday quality of life. Here’s how these limitations affect the interpretation of Massachusetts’ higher HDI:
- Income Levels vs. Income Inequality
While Massachusetts has a high average income, this masks the state's significant income inequality. The HDI uses GDP per capita, which can skew the overall picture because the wealth in Massachusetts is concentrated among the affluent, particularly in industries like technology and biotech. Many residents, especially in lower-income areas, may not experience the same economic prosperity. Thus, a high average income doesn’t necessarily translate to widespread financial well-being.
- Education Quality and Access Disparities
Massachusetts boasts world-class universities and a highly educated workforce, which boosts its HDI score. However, not everyone in the state has equal access to these elite educational opportunities. Public schools in wealthier districts outperform those in lower-income areas, creating disparities in educational outcomes. The HDI averages these figures, which hides the educational inequality experienced by many residents.
- Life Expectancy and Healthcare Access
Massachusetts has a high life expectancy, partly due to advanced healthcare facilities and near-universal coverage. However, this average conceals discrepancies in healthcare access and quality. People in low-income neighborhoods or those facing systemic inequalities may not have the same access to high-quality care as wealthier residents, which the HDI does not account for. Life expectancy alone does not fully capture the differences in healthcare experiences between socioeconomic groups.
- Cost of Living
The HDI doesn't factor in the cost of living, which is quite high in Massachusetts, particularly in cities like Boston. High housing costs, expensive healthcare (despite near-universal coverage), and other living expenses can strain the average person’s finances, even if their income appears high. For many residents, the high cost of living diminishes the real standard of living, something that the HDI doesn’t address.
- Work-Life Balance and Well-Being
The HDI measures education, income, and life expectancy but ignores subjective measures of well-being, such as work-life balance, stress levels, and job satisfaction. In Massachusetts, long working hours and a competitive work culture can negatively impact quality of life, especially compared to Denmark, where work-life balance and personal well-being are prioritized. HDI doesn’t account for these quality of life factors, which may mean that even if Massachusetts has a higher HDI, the average person could feel more stressed and less satisfied compared to someone living in Denmark.
- Environmental Sustainability
Another weakness of HDI is its lack of consideration for environmental sustainability, which significantly affects long-term quality of life. Denmark excels in green policies and environmental sustainability, which improves public health and urban living conditions. Massachusetts, while making strides in sustainability, faces challenges in pollution, traffic congestion, and less environmentally-friendly urban development, all of which impact the daily lives of residents but aren’t captured by the HDI.
In conclusion, while Massachusetts has a higher HDI due to its income, education, and life expectancy metrics, this doesn’t fully reflect the standard of living for the average person. The HDI overlooks income inequality, disparities in education and healthcare, the high cost of living, work-life balance, and environmental quality. Therefore, while Massachusetts may rank higher by HDI, many residents may not experience a higher quality of life compared to people in Denmark, where equality, social welfare, and well-being are emphasized more strongly.
They’re pining for the party of Bush because it was grounded in truth and ideas.
It was WHAT!?
Don't shoot the messenger. Damn y'all need to learn how to read the fucking article.
The poster above you didn't put the entire article. Their post was merely the snippet from the end of it.
Earlier on, the article stated:
The Atlantic is a heterodox place, staffed by freethinkers, and for some of us, Kamala Harris’s policy views are too centrist, while for others they’re too liberal.
In other words, this endorsement is the decision of more than one person. It isn't contradictory for different people to want different things. The whole point was that multiple people have found multiple reasons to come to the same conclusion.
But the article isn't behind a paywall, and the link is right there. In the search to make sense of an extracted quote, the original source is a good place to start.
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she's not a raging lunatic who sundowns at every rally?
There is only one sane choice. People who abstain are choosing insanity the same way that those who abstained in 2016 allowed insanity to prevail.
Having said that, I think voters would be pretty excited to get out and support a candidate that they had actually chosen in the primaries after seeing them go through some campaigning and debates. None of us chose Kamala, and Biden's late dropout was not ideal. I am hoping that America can have this opportunity back in the next election.
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