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TO THE ADMINS: Read this thread and give me one good reason why federating with toxic, propaganda spreading tankie loons is a good idea.

No one wants those fucks, or the alt right dipshits for that matter, around, and they're spreading blatant lies, yet I see they are here. Does lemm.ee only care about boosting its numbers and is willing to sink to new lows to do it, I wonder? 🤔

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[-] sunaurus@lemm.ee 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For the time being, I have no plans to change our federation policy. I realize this is not what you want to hear, and I'm sorry to disappoint you. It's just not a goal for lemm.ee to curate external instances for now.

There are probably many instances out there that have horrible content (content which would get users banned if they posted it on lemm.ee), but vetting instances and maintaining a defederation list is a big effort, and I believe this effort is much better spent elsewhere.

I've stated this in many other similar threads, but let me also reiterate here: the above should not be taken to mean that lemm.ee is some bastion of free speech absolutism. Users or communities breaking rules on lemm.ee are dealt with. Also, we do reserve the right to defederate any instance which starts causing problems for lemm.ee on a bigger scale (so in cases where banning individual users is not effective).

I realize this is a topic where it's impossible to make everybody happy, because each person has their own view on what should be federated or defederated. At the end of the day, for anything that's not illegal or directly hurting lemm.ee, I believe it's best to leave these decisions up to users - you can make your own choices with which users and communities you block, and I'm certain that soon you'll have the tools built in to Lemmy itself to make the same decision on an instance level as well. And if that doesn't work for you, then there's always the possibility of joining a different instance with a different approach to federation.

[-] misk@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But defederating Threads was fine lol.

We need to stop recommending Lemm.ee to newcomers, it's hostile to normal folks.

[-] sunaurus@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

The approach to federation with Facebook is documented here: https://lemm.ee/post/851217

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[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

🤦 Wasted my time and effort on a garbage instance again.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

Why don't you just start your own? You can defederate any instance you want.

I'm on lemm.ee but I've personally blocked communities I've found to be toxic, some of them were on lemmygrad. I see very little tankie shit. Took me like 5 minutes.

[-] misk@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People half-joke that coming to Fediverse is easy, all you need to do is select a provider like you do with e-mail.

In case of Lemmy this omits the part where you have to block dozens of communities because they shill for genocidal regimes and you can't block them and their users wholesale using instances. You also have to be on a lookout for trolls that coordinate on those instances and use alts from other instances. If you aren't careful enough your experience might be akin to a conspiracy Facebook group but obviously it's users fault.

Mastodon doesn't have this issue despite using same Activity Pub framework.

Kbin doesn't have it.

It's Lemmy developers and instances that somehow ended up with staggering amount of tankie trolls, to the extent that exceeds even alt-right trolls on Reddit.

Telling people to start their own instances is acknowledging that the issue is so widespread that there are no instances with sane policies.

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago

I second. Please do the instance a favor and disconnect from them. They are bad faith actors here to do nothing but cause chaos. If I could block them on my own, I would have done it day one.

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Most of the apps allow you to block communities or entire instances. I've been using connect, it's free and let's you block. Most of the reason I downloaded it.

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[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 1 year ago

I've personally found the hexbear locals to be really inclusive, and pleasant to interact with. I couldn't say I agree with the totality of their political outlooks, but I've not found them particularly unreasonable.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

What about the Lemmygrad retards trying to claim Tianamen Square didn't happen? How the hell is that reasonable or okay?

[-] PupBiru@kbin.social 56 points 1 year ago

probably best not to call people retards if you want to stay on the high road

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[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't have an opinion, because I really haven't interacted with the Lemmygrad folks. Their instance culture just isn't really my bag, so I don't find much opportunity or common ground to engage.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

EDIT: Never mind, this guy is masquerading as a neutral party to defend tankies, just ignore him.

[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they're a little too "dank" for me. So, I just leave distance and keep scrolling.

[-] czech@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

Have you considered hosting your own instance? Its not difficult and you can control exactly who you federate with.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I shouldn't have to as that costs money. It's the admin's job to fix his server, not mine.

If he's a tankie or a supporter of them, he has a responsibility to us to be honest about that fact instead of allowing them to run roughshod and inundate the instance with propaganda. He KNOWS they don't belong here but he's ignoring the problem. That means he either is one of them, supports them or is being taken in by them. And that's a serious problem that will affect the whole federation, not just this one instance.

If tankies get away with doing that here, they'll do it to other admins, and poison the whole federation. It'll be impossible for new instances to flourish without kowtowing to them, and so it has to be stopped here and now with the bigger instances.

EDIT: Welp, clearly I’ll have to, and it will be expensive, but we sane folks have no choice. These piece of shit admins on several different instances have shown us that they clearly don’t care about their users (this is not the first instance I have seen that’s pulled this crap).

Let me see what I can do

[-] czech@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

How do you foresee tankies poisoning the whole fediverse? Do you find their arguments compelling? It doesn't even seem like they are trying to make a case, they are just bluntly stating misinformation. If we are going to remove all misinformation then we are going to need paid admins because even at the current scale its a full time job. Or should we only remove certain misinformation? I see blatant misinformation everywhere on the fediverse already and only a tiny percentage is tankie related.

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[-] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

I don’t think a worldwide general-purpose instance should be removing content, users, or instances based on an opinion of the content. That’s censorship by definition.

Removing content based on an opinion is very different than removing users or instances that are manipulating Lemmy votes/accounts or expressing extreme targeted hate towards an individual.

[-] zoe@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

u can always filter instances using connect or sync as u please: there is no need to ask ur admin for defederation ( it is kinda extreme really )

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh no, there is, because it's their responsibility as admins and third party apps are not an excuse for them to shirk their responsibility toward their users.

Needing a third party app for that kind of basic functionality defeats the point of Lemmy anyway.

[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The point of Lemmy is federation. If it doesn't solve your needs, then it's your responsibility to make the decision if it's a healthy ecosystem for you, and if you should keep using it or not.

[-] Doug@midwest.social 12 points 1 year ago

If the point was federation then defederation wouldn't be an option.

Defederation is a tool available to instances to protect the greater fediverse

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[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

im sure many in ur instance want us “fucks” around. where is the lie btw? if its so blatant you should be able to back up ur refutation w evidence

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[-] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want to hear all viewpoints. Don't talk for me. You can block if you're against diversity, equity, and inclusion.

[-] gullible@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

I don’t even go to this school, but here’s a picture of the Tiananmen massacre. Tank man was a badass

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[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

Tankies claiming the Tianamen Square massacre didn't happen are pretty toxic

[-] blazera@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

You got mad having a debate in one thread and you want the admins to go win it for you by blocking an entire server of different people and communities.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I actually haven't really debated them and this isn't the first time I've seen them invade an instance. I want them gone because they are spreading blatant propaganda and that should not be allowed on any instance worth its salt

Point in fact, I came here to lemm.ee specifically because it was defederated from them, but now I see the past few days that they've been let on again and are now invading threads with pro-CCP astroturfing and inundating the All feed with their propaganda and garbage like they always do. And that shouldn't be allowed.

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