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submitted 2 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Lai Ching-te argues the reverse may be true because the Republic of China – the mantle that nationalists carried with them to Taiwan – predates the communist People’s Republic

It is “impossible” for the People’s Republic of China to become Taiwan’s motherland because Taiwan has older political roots, the island’s president has said.

Lai Ching-te, who took office in May, is condemned by Beijing as a separatist. He rejects Beijing’s sovereignty claims, saying the island is a country called the Republic of China that traces its origins back to the 1911 revolution overthrowing the last imperial dynasty.

The Chinese nationalist government fled to Taiwan in 1949 after losing a civil war with Mao Zedong’s communists. Mao set up the People’s Republic of China, which continues to claim self-governed Taiwan as its territory.

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[-] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago

Mainland China

*West Taiwan

[-] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago
[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

*West Taiwan, Tibet, and Hong Kong

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago

I kind of get what he's saying, but I'd also think these people would take issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_indigenous_peoples

[-] Furball@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago

I haven’t closely followed Taiwanese politics but I’m pretty sure the DPP (his party) is largely supported by the indigenous people

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

It's more the "motherland" claim. Most indigenous Americans support the U.S. government. They'll even sometimes proudly fight for America in the U.S. military. That doesn't mean they'd appreciate it if Trump or Biden said that the U.S. was the motherland of white people.

[-] Furball@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 months ago

The thing is, he’s directly saying that China isn’t their motherland because their government was born first. He’s saying that although their government used to control China, its home is Taiwan now. The DPP is against the idea of reclaiming the mainland or claiming too much heritage or symbolism from the mainland as they are the pro-independence party in Taiwan

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Like I said, I kind of get what he's saying. I just don't know that it was put well. Maybe it works better in Chinese and it's just a translation thing.

[-] Furball@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

It’s sometimes hard to translate things like this into English well so that would make sense

[-] MicroWave@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Not entirely sure what you're getting at. Are you suggesting that Taiwanese Indigenous people might have a problem that the Republic of China (Taiwan) is older than the PRC?

[-] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Basically these indigenous folks were on Taiwan long before a Chinese person set foot on the islands, let alone declared a republic. Edit: It belonged to them first, before it belonged to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_(1912%E2%80%931949

[-] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah it's disgraceful that people from the mainland forced out of their homes by war and prejudice have in turn set up a colonial state that oppresses, marginalised and usurped the national status of the people Indigenous to the area. If only they weren't treated as American allies just so they act as a counterbalance to the regional power.

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago

I'm in Taiwan and I'm just a single voice. Lai isn't wrong. Our republic is longer, but early Taiwan was pretty shitty. They continued that shittiness the nationalist was doing back in the mainland up until the 90s when we had our first Democratic elections.

Today's Taiwan was nothing like the nationalist that proceeds it. We are actively taking down our old monuments of our forefathers because it was truly a bad time in our history.

Today's Taiwan is freaking amazing. An active government that cares about the people. Policing is done by people in the community. A school system that cares about each student and their well being. A high tax on big businesses and a low entry barrier for small businesses.

I had a school counselor come to my door because I was not picking up random phone calls. She brought cookies and school stationery and wanted to make sure my son was ready for grade school.

I invite anyone to come visit and experience Taiwan on their own.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's a Civil war that never ended.

[-] MediaBiasFactChecker@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Nah man I'm pretty sure I know where the Han people come from.

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