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[-] Naich@lemmings.world 130 points 4 months ago

Once you try Vim you will never use another text editor. Or any other program for that matter because you won't be able to exit.

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

I also had that experience with emacs, which has a built in help system. I couldn't find a topic on 'exit' or 'quit' and refused to just search online.

Took me half an hour.

[-] m4m4m4m4@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

and refused to just search online

Unless you were f*cked by your ISP as I am right now, that's having some balls. Or being masochist. But nothing in between

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[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 65 points 4 months ago

If I wanted to hear about what's good about Vim, should I:

a) ask what's good about vim

-OR-

b) assert blindly that there is nothing good about vim so fanboys will come crawling out of the walls tripping over each other to tell me how I'm wrong?

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 55 points 4 months ago

Doesn't matter we will tell you either way.

  • Instead of simply shortcuts, vim uses "chords". Every new shortcut I learn can be combined intuitively* with all the other shortcuts I know.
  • Because of this there's no faster way to edit files than Vim in the hands of an experienced user.
  • this let's me spend almost no time editing code, freeing up the rest of my time for swearing at piss poor documentation.

* I use "intuitively" here in a way that not merely stretches, but outright abuses the definition of the word.

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

Thank you for telling me all this neat stuff! :D

I think I get what you are intending to imply by the word "intuitively"; it's that it eventually becomes as reflexive and fluid as touch-typing itself.

Gosh you make it sound almost like you play Vim like an instrument more than use it...!

Honestly that sounds cool ^_^

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[-] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's intuitive if your previous editor was ed(1) and you're using an ADM-3A-like keyboard.

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[-] babybus@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 months ago

You shouldn't talk about vim at all! Just write that vscode is the most flexible code editor.

[-] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

Don’t use Microsoft’s version. Use Vscodium! :)

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[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 months ago

tl;dr: Run vimtutor, learn vim, enjoy life

It's extremely powerful, for mostly the same reason that it's incomprehensible to newbies. It's focused not on directly inputting characters from your keyboard, but on issuing commands to the editor on how to modify the text.

These commands are simple but combine to let you do exactly what you want with just a few keypresses.

For example:

w is a movement command that moves one word forward.

You can put a number in front of any command to repeat it that many times, so 3w moves three words forward.

d is the delete command. You combine it with a movement command that tells it what to delete. So dw deletes one word and d3w deletes the next three words.

f is the find movement command. You press it and then a character to move to the first instance of that character. So f. will move to the end of the current sentence, where the period is.

Now, knowing only this, if you wanted to delete the next two sentences, you could do that by pressing d2f.

Hopefully I gave a taste of how incredibly powerful, flexible, yet simple this system is. You only need to know a handful of commands to use vim more effectively than you ever could most other editors. And there are enough clever features that any time you think "I wish there was a better way to do this" there most certainly is (as well as a nice description of how).

It also comes with a guide to help you get over the initial learning curve, run vimtutor in a console near you to get started on the path to ~~salvation~~ efficient editing.

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[-] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 4 months ago

nano just works for me man

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 4 months ago

Getting used to vim has made nano unusable for me. The muscle memory is too strong. That and all of the regex and plugin features (ex. LSP) are just too useful.

[-] ArchAengelus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 months ago

I had the same experience. Nano is great if you’re used to notepad or a generic, limited text editor.

Once you learn a terminal editor like eMacs or vim, why go back? So much less hand motion going to mouse, arrows, and back.

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[-] Mora@pawb.social 38 points 4 months ago

alias vim="nano"

[-] cccc0@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 months ago

Vim is a puzzle based text editor

[-] AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Exactly, it is lovely. Editing text with it is actually enjoyable.

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[-] embed_me@programming.dev 10 points 4 months ago

Performing all those whacky movements and operations is nothing short of an arcade gaming experience.

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[-] itslilith 35 points 4 months ago
[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago

vanilla helix is so nice, the keybindings make so much more sense and it feels really comfortable

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I do everything with cat, sed and awk.

Fuck your TUIs.

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[-] sunoc@sh.itjust.works 31 points 4 months ago
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[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

NANO GANG RISE

for everything else, there's sublime.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

I tend to work on customer systems where I'm not allowed to install anything. I've yet to encounter one that doesn't have vi installed, but I've seen a few without nano.

[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 months ago

vi is part of the POSIX standard, so it'll be available in some form on almost anything UNIX-flavoured

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Which is a great reason to at least familiarize yourself with it. It's the lingua franca of text editors.

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[-] ludicolo@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 months ago

Anytime I open Vim I ask the same question.

"how the fuck do I use you?"

then go back to nano

repeat.

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[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Genuinely took most of my notes in college on vim, when you get good it’s just faster.

[-] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

I'm sure someone already made a graph plotting the hours wasted learning vs the seconds gained not moving your mouse.

[-] aniki@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Is the whole point of this community to repost tired old memes or are ya'll just painfully uncreative?

:q!

[-] mEEGal@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago
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[-] dezmd@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

The only Dad advice you nerds need:

mcedit from the Midnight Commander (mc) tool is the superior text editor.

I don't even run arch, btw.

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[-] Fox@pawb.social 16 points 4 months ago
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[-] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago

I've no choice coz I haven't been able to quit for last 7 years.

[-] SeekPie@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What about notepad++ under wine?

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[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

If you don't like Vim, you should stop being a milk-drinking sweetroll-eating WUSS

[-] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev 13 points 4 months ago

May I introduce you to our Savior Helix?

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

You're entitled to your wrong opinion

[-] MistressRemilia@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 months ago

I'll stick with my trusty Emacs (and Zile)

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[-] cupcakezealot 13 points 4 months ago

there is no text editor there is only nano

[-] regeya@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if someone finds out there was some obscure Emacs fork or clone designed to run Clojure or something, and it's named Again

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[-] DonPiano@feddit.org 11 points 4 months ago

ed is the standard text editor.

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