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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 107 points 10 months ago

You can only get more conservative when you have things to protect like a house and a pension.

Most millennials retirement plan atm is die of heatstroke in 150 degree weather in a 8 person shared apartment in Alaska.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 10 months ago

I have a house and a pretty sizable retirement account.

I will GLADLY take a lower home value, higher taxes on my retirement, higher taxes in general, so long as the ultra wealthy are also taxed accordingly.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 27 points 10 months ago

Or you'll get more communist when you have people to protect, like children or friends who start getting sick now that they're not young anymore

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I became a socialist because I was an "essential employee" during the height of the pandemic. I was treated like shit by my company, the customers, and the government while they sung my praise. I watched my grandpa get good cancer treatment with the VA (shocker, I know, but it happens) while my sister and grandma had to fight insurance for cancer treatment.

We can't make a perfect world, but we can make a better one. And it starts with a socialist economy.

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[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can only get more conservative when you have things to protect like a house and a pension.

In aggragate, that's the more reliable way to make a population more conservative, but remember that a reasonable portion of fascists in a society that is going in that direction are going to be people who either lost that or never had it and, in either case, blame some minority for that fact. (The majority are still people like you describe, though, the petite bourgeois, etc., who feel insecure in their holdings)

I agree if you mean neoliberal-conservative

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago

Whenever people say that you grow more conservative when you get older, they're working from the premise that you'll grow more affluent and comfortable later in life. For Americans, that just isn't true anymore. Wages are mostly stagnant, home ownership is much less attainable, and cost of living is at an all time high. Yet for some reason, pundits just can't figure out why millenials aren't getting more conservative as they age, or why zoomers appear to be following this trend.

[-] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 13 points 10 months ago

Yeah, though there's also the phenomena of older folks generally being more against change and clinging in the past more, the idea being that you have less future to look forward to (since you're closer to death than your birth) so instead you look towards the past and become nostalgic about it.

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[-] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

yup it applies only to the privileged class, and of course only people in that class would think that is the general experience.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 10 months ago

I’ve only gone further Left.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I grew up in a rightwing household, and unquestioningly drank the koolaid until my late teens. The right's bullshit eventually became impossible to ignore, so I dove right into the 'both sides!' trap and rode the Libertarian train for a while.

It became really easy to articulate what I didn't like about the right; describing what was bad about the left was just echoes of Fox bitching about things like them voting on emotion instead of logic... but no real examples.

Around my mid-twenties I finally realized ^that was projection; then 2016 happened and holy shit they're running Trump and Hillary?? Easily the two most hated candidates in my lifetime... against Gary Johnson - an admittedly goofy personality but likeable and most importantly not crazy, THIS IS THE LP'S TIME TO SHINE! ....yeah they got 3% of the vote. We won't ever see better conditions for a 3rd victory, so, pipedream shattered.

Guess I'll have to just pick a lesser evil, so let's see what we have to work with...

  • there's the red team. Burn through our fossil resources with reckless abandon. War, war, war, and more war. Shave social services down to nothing so we can claim 'fiscal responsibility' which is good I guess (hey! eyes down here, we're done talking about the war part), a blatant integration of religion and politics, and they want to make life as miserable as possible for my gay/colored/female/nonchristian friends. Fuck, that's pretty bad...

  • Alright, next we have the blue team, which is the opposite of all those things, at the exceedingly high cost of... getting cockblocked by the red team when they try to implement those things... and... well there was that time Bill lied about getting a blowjob- outrageous! Surely the red team does a better job of keeping it in their pants... *checks* ...uhh, nope! Fuck, I'm starting to become aware of my own cognitive dissonance and it feels like absolute shit.

So I start voting one issue at a time, crunching both options against eachother and choosing the one that's best for the US. That way there's no bias and I won't be part of this tribal bullshit plagueing our politics.... Weird, when I ignore affiliation and vote on policy alone, my ballot becomes solid blue. What are the odds of that?! Next election, solid blue again. And again.

My desire to be 'independent' on label alone is pretty much gone at this point, and I'm being more and more vocal about supporting leftwing policies. Family isn't a fan, but they hit me with the shit OP is poking fun at - I only shifted blue because I'm poor! Once I make more money, just you wait and see, I'll come crawling right back.

Now, I'm not rich or anything, but I'm (finally!) not living paycheck to paycheck. During all ^that I wandered into the military which gave me access to all kinds of socialized resources which have enabled me to get where I'm at now and have made a pretty significant improvement on my life. The thing that pisses me off about those socialized services is WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T EVERYONE HAVE THIS?! So wearing camo for 4 years for some reason got me this VIP tour of what we should should be doing for everyone.

I was a late bloomer, I got there. I haven't missed a single election since 2016, big or small. Solid blue. I've gotten to the point where I'll even look up the voter registration of candidates for nonpolitical positions like judges, and red is a deal breaker.

The better off I become, the more blue I get. The notion of red-shift with income is trash.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago

Alright, next we have the blue team, which is the opposite of all those things, at the exceedingly high cost of... getting cockblocked by the red team when they try to implement those things... and... well there was that time Bill lied about getting a blowjob- outrageous! Surely the red team does a better job of keeping it in their pants... *checks* ...uhh, nope! Fuck, I'm starting to become aware of my own cognitive dissonance and it feels like absolute shit.

The DNC isn't to the opposite of the GOP, they are aligned on the vast majority of issues and use the rest to yap loudly in disagreement. Dems aren't left.

During all ^that I wandered into the military which gave me access to all kinds of socialized resources which have enabled me to get where I'm at now and have made a pretty significant improvement on my life.

Social programs aren't socialized, that's a bit of a misnomer.

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[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 10 months ago

I am more conservative in the sense that I see things with more nuance. I understand societies are very complex systems in a fragile equilibrium and that my naive solutions to the world's problems are not feasible.

And yet, each day I'm more convinced we need to eat the rich.

[-] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Eating the Rich is not enough

Edit: We need to create a whole new system to prevent people from getting that rich and to keep the power to the people

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[-] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Honestly, if your goals include conserving an inhabitable environment for the human race in the future, conserving a semblance of wealth for everyone but the top, like, dozen people on Earth, conserving the rights of workers and consumers against an overwhelming opposition, conserving democracy for future generations (and all that against the best efforts of a supposedly "conservative" party), your parents may have been right.

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[-] ericbomb@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Straight up I was conservative as a young teen, because that's what EVERYONE was here in Utah when I was in the LDS church.

Now I just keep floating more and more left as time goes on.

[-] kofe@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

I went from "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" in high school to liberal to communist to anarchist back to communist now I think I'm democratic socialist in my 30s? Just basic safety nets and unions, please.

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Same homie. I can’t even imagine what it was like to be a leftist after 9/11. The whole fucking country was blood thirsty. Heard my friends say some of the most abhorrent shit, and just brushed it off as patriotism.

So fucking glad I found my way out.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

“You will be more conservative as you grow older” is not a truth, but a threat. If you don't become a conservative under their regime, you won't become old.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

How'd you get a picture of me?

[-] Floon@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

I have become aggressively more anti-capitalist as I've grown older. At 56, with a nice professional career mostly behind me, I am vigorously ANTIFA EAT THE RICH ACAB.

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[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago

I know that conflating Liberals and Conservatives is practically lemmys official pass time, but I have to point out they are not the same.

[-] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Liberals and conservatives are more similar than liberals and progressives.

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago

No, I have a lot of experience in liberal organizations and they are not, despite the memes, closer to conservatism than progressivism. It honestly makes me feel like most people on lemmy have never really worked with liberal groups.

The major differences between a liberal and a social democrat or progressive comes down largely to deciding when a market has failed and when to use government intervention, both Liberals and progressives are fine with intervention, only the threshold changea. We want the same things, mostly, but disagree on how to get them.

Conservatives, philosophical Conservatives anyway, won't typically even consider such a thing, and often do not even want the same things as Liberals or progressives.

This both sides same stuff just hurts progressive causes, because it sours mushy people with little to no real philosophy on voting for liberal parties. Those people flip flop back to Conservatives when they get angry and we lose the progress we've made, as is about to happen in Canada.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

The major differences between a liberal and a social democrat or progressive comes down largely to deciding when a market has failed and when to use government intervention,

Okay sounds like you're just describing different labels for liberalism.

Compare these people to a communist who thinks we should literally nationalize and worker-self-manage the relevant sectors of economy and you'll see what people are trying to tell you about how liberals and conservatives are basically the same.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

No, I have a lot of experience in liberal organizations and they are not, despite the memes, closer to conservatism than progressivism.

Perhaps if you redefine progressivism.

The major differences between a liberal and a social democrat or progressive comes down largely to deciding when a market has failed and when to use government intervention, both Liberals and progressives are fine with intervention, only the threshold changea. We want the same things, mostly, but disagree on how to get them.

Yep, you redefined it.

Conservatives, philosophical Conservatives anyway, won't typically even consider such a thing, and often do not even want the same things as Liberals or progressives.

Conservatives often do, and the distance between genuine progressivism and liberalism is shorter than liberalism and conservativism.

This both sides same stuff just hurts progressive causes, because it sours mushy people with little to no real philosophy on voting for liberal parties. Those people flip flop back to Conservatives when they get angry and we lose the progress we've made, as is about to happen in Canada.

Electoralism will not save you.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Conservatives are a subcategory of liberal. They aren't conflated, that's like saying thumbs and fingers get conflated.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Both the democratic party and the republican party are liberal parties. One of them got scratched.

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[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

The people who told me that were 100% boomers. There’s that idiotic saying “if you’re not liberal* when you’re 20, you have no heart. If you’re not conservative when you’re 40 you have no brains” ok boomer.

Note this is using the US meaning of liberal, not to mean “capitalist”.

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[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

In the mid 20th-century, people reliably got more petty bourgeois as they got older.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379422000452

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Yep, correlation, not causation. Getting older doesn't cause it.

[-] EldritchFeminity 11 points 10 months ago

There's a much better correlation between wealth and conservatism than age. Almost like those who begin to benefit from the system of oppression are incentivesed to keep it going.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 10 months ago

Yup but I have seen it in my peers unfortunately. Honestly though not in the ones who were actually passionate. Like the guy who started the environmental club is as left as he ever was but like the one friend I had I think just parroted what most of his friends said atm.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

On some social positions, I've grown more conservative.

On fiscal issues? Son, at this point I'm only slightly to the left of "Feed the 1% to the homeless and convert their left-over mansions into low income apartments."

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Seize the means of production

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago

my experience is the opposite

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 10 months ago

How is it that some of us get further left and some people go right? Even poors and immigrants go right and vote against their own interests. I really don't get it.

[-] WhimsicalWood@aussie.zone 8 points 10 months ago

Broadly speaking, I'd say it's done out of fear. Voting conservative feels like staying the course and not challenging the status quo, even if it's not ideal. Voting change could be seen as a threat to "stability" even when it's a false narrative.

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