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submitted 5 months ago by pete_link@lemmy.ml to c/news@lemmy.world

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20788199

Jessica Corbett
Sep 27, 2024

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[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 109 points 5 months ago

Just war crime after war crime at this point.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 69 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And why not? He has virtually unlimited U.S. weapons as well as bi-partisan support from U.S. politicians. It's as though we're just setting our attack dog loose on everyone.

It's fucking astonishing that we have any relationship with Israel at all these days. The U.S. gets absolutely nothing out of this one-sided relationship.

Israel offers us:

-No unique strategic military position (we have that area covered already).

-No high-value industrial benefits (no natural resources or unique trade).

-No military arsenal or manpower support (their arsenal comes from us and their personnel is quite limited).

It's time to let them make friends with their neighbors on their own. They don't need us to do that and we sure as fuck don't need them.

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The US is a parent sitting and watching its problem child beat the shit out of the other children in the playpark. Other concerned parents keep asking the US to do something, to which they shrug and say "kids will be kids, what can you do" while handing their child a knuckleduster.

[-] Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

Hacking and Blackmail are Israeli strengths. The two most common theories I hear are that that elected officials are impressed with the Israeli hacking capabilities and rather keep them on our side, or they are actively exploiting those capabilities to bend politicians to their will. Seeing how Israel operates in public with innocent civilians it seems rather obvious our predicament.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

The problem with hacking and intelligence is they're vulnerable to hard power. In other words you can hack stuff but you're not going to hack your way out of Delta raiding your office. If Israel is using their hacking and intelligence to blackmail politicians then they're constantly one fuck away from "find out".

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

But they do have AIPAC, which likes to pedal its influence into local US politics.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Agreed! (Emphasis on the "greed")

[-] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Unfortunately, as long as we leave political offices to be filled by the worst of us this will continue. Voting is only half the battle.

[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

Main thing the US gets from Israel is Market Capital Export.

Israel accounts for what, like 30-40% of all recent American acquired startups?

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Do you have a source for this?

My understanding is the primary trade between the U.S and Israel is diamonds. We each export over $1B worth of diamonds and also each import over $1B worth of diamonds between one another. In the past year, the U.S. imported about half a billion dollars more from Israel than it exported to Israel (again mostly diamonds in both directions).

The diamond trade between our countries does not justify our participation in unnecessary wars (or genocides) in my opinion. It seems unlikely to be the reason we are so committed to this relationship. I think AIPAC's financial involvement in our elections represents a much bigger reason we support Israel.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago
[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Money laundering from countries we don't want to deal with or are under sanctions.

They did the same with south Africa under apartheid, sold SA oranges as Israeli.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 72 points 5 months ago

Biden instantly sending 8 Billion dollars in weapons really says it all. The US is planning to let Netanyahu bomb everything he wants. When they strike back in kind the US will use it as a pretense send in troops to start a war with Iran.

A smart move by Netanyahu. He knows he needs to get rid of Iran or they will outpace Israel. Now that Israel fully controls America this is the time to start their war with Iran with impunity.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Biden instantly sending 8 Billion dollars in weapons

Wasn't this before the bombing?

Edit: source

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

One day before the bombing of Nasrallah (with advance knowledge and US cooperation). But after Israel started their recent Lebanon bombing campaign.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They don't fully control America though. Most of us didn't even realize the actual situation until this year. The Palestinians just got lumped in under terrorism and that was that. The new media exposure is turning that around. If you look at our response to apartheid in South Africa it's tracking pretty closely. The halls of power didn't want to care and the people forced them to care.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

The worst part is the behavior of Netanyahu's Israel is making people sympathetic to facism and Nazism, something unseen since the 1930s.

[-] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

it's quite easy to detest Nazis and Zionists.

very similar ideologies

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

ya, they are both fascists

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

The behavior of Netanyahu isn't making people sympathetic to fascism nor German fascism. the behavior of Netanyahu is literally fascist, the people calling out against Netanyahu are literally the opposite of sympathetic to fascism, fascism is way more than "Jew bad", in fact the whole antisemitism is more coincidental as Jews were a larger minority group, and fascism targeted all minority groups, with Jews being the largest they also had a larger target on their backs in comparisons to other groups that also went off to the camps.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Yup. Although to be fair it was always there lurking. There was always a part of America that dreamed about killing, exiling, and/or enslaving half the country.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

They don’t fully control America though.

You might want to check the list before making these claims.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Even if contributions guaranteed policy that still speaks to my point of an elite that wants to support an apartheid government and a people waking up and getting mad about it.

[-] Y5QcY2Cu9 7 points 5 months ago

Israel does not "fully control" America (literally an antisemitic conspiracy theory).

It is literally the other way around: The US controls Israel and has the power to make them stop their genocide but chooses to send them more waepons to use for more war crimes.

[-] diffusive@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

I really don't like french cheese. Am I racist with the french for that?

I really think that Germany has too much power over EU. Does this make me racist with Germans?

I understand some antisemitic may use war as a way to spread their idepology but the opposite is not true.

One person may disagree with the geopolic of this war without having any issue with the citizens of a country involved

[-] Y5QcY2Cu9 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I really don't like french cheese. Am I racist with the french for that?

No

I really think that Germany has too much power over EU. Does this make me racist with Germans?

Germany is the country with the most seats in the EU parliament. The influence of germany is not a conspiracy theory, but a fact, therefore: No

Are Israeli politicians members of congress ? Or the house ? Ok, so maybe the comparison is bullshit.

One person may disagree with the geopolic of this war without having any issue with the citizens of a country involved

Yes, correct.

Not sure what that has to do with the fact that America is on the side of genocide of its own free will instead of being secretly controlled by Israel into being on the side of genocide 🤷

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Politicians are literally committing treason in service to zionism. Not just the majority who are completely bought but also those who openly serve a foreign regime.

[-] Y5QcY2Cu9 1 points 5 months ago

Yes they are ideologically aligned with zionism, that does not mean they are controlled by Israel.

The outcome is similar, the analysis and legal ramifications are very different.

Yes, many are bought by AIPAC. AIPAC works to the benefit of the Israel, but it recieves it's funding from wealthy american christian zionists. Again, aligned with zionism, not controlled by Israel, not the same.

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 5 months ago

I really think that Germany has too much power over EU. Does this make me racist with Germans?

Doesn't Germany have the largest population of all EU countries? It makes sense that the country with the largest population and largest economy might also have more influence than lower population countries.

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 months ago

Everything the US does starts to make sense when you realize the US government is fully owned by lobbyists and wealthy donors. The Military Industrial Complex is a trillion dollar for-profit industry with the deepest pockets in the world. The capitalists who profit from it effectively own our country.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 52 points 5 months ago

Best I can do is giving him more bombs

[-] Marleyinoc@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago

The companies making military weapons and gear for Israel can be found here according to AFSC.

The US has committed grants to Israel to buy weapons through 2028. It's benefiting the above corporations. While not all US based, it still is just another example of our corporate overlords fiucking the world over for profits).

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Is there somewhere they are separated by country? Would be helpful to people who want to know what they should demonstrate against in their country.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 points 5 months ago

Reagab stopped them from doing this exact same thing 40 years ago. Anyone still gonna say this administration isn't more Zionist than usual?

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Hasn't every administration slowed them down except for Biden's?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Trump. Obama was the last one to hold them accountable for anything.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 5 months ago

And Trump's but basically yeah.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Trump let them off the leash, and they went feral.

Once they knew they could do whatever they wanted they decided it was better to beg forgiveness than ask permission.

Then they decided it was better to not even beg forgiveness and just do what they wanted anyway.

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