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Airbnb owner claims holiday makers running cables out the window is theft if electricity.

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[-] nbafantest@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Speaking to the Mirror, Amanda said: “It’s not just the cost – it’s also about safety. Charging a battery using a three-pin plug can take around 30 hours.

“That’s a significant amount of power flowing through a standard household socket for an extended period of time.”

You have circuit breakers specifically if it's using too much power.

[-] mackwinston@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While this is true, extended high current usage through a 3 pin plug isn't ideal - especially if the house wiring is a bit old and imperfect (and the breaker won't trip until imperfect old wiring breaks down). It's generally not recommended to regularly charge cars off standard 3 pin plugs, although a one off usage will probably be just fine.

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[-] Ruchbah@feddit.uk 31 points 1 year ago

It’s not theft unless the owner specified in the conditions of the rental that car’s couldn’t be charged at the property. (Even then “Theft” is a strong word!)

That being said - there is obviously a big difference in charging your phone and charging a car and really we are at a point where this should be clear in all holiday rental agreements one way or another.

I don’t think the owner would be happy if someone just turned on all the taps in the house and left them running for the entirety of their stay. There is a sort of “fair use” which is assumed (if not actually in writing)

Question comes if car charging should always be assumed “fair use” or is that above and beyond? Or is it a gray area that just “depends”.. Much better for everyone if all this is made as clear as possible in the agreement right at the beginning.

[-] mackwinston@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago

I'm sure the courts would agree it's not theft, but it really is taking the piss: a typical UK home uses on the order of 10kWh per day - and an electric car can easily take 60kWh to charge. This isn't like charging a mobile phone which is basically noise - it can mean someone staying for 5 days can easily end up using twice what the reasonable expectation for electricity use was.

Having said that, if I were the owner of a holiday home, I'd probably install a proper electric car charger as a selling point and I'm sure it would be possible to set the daily rate for the property to cover the cost of charging a car.

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[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Oh no! It takes 30 hours to charge the car, it must be dangerous! Lol it takes 30 hours because it's charging at a safe rate

[-] brlemworld@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I leave the ceiling fan on all the time so I guess I'm paying tens of thousands

[-] Patch@feddit.uk 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems like the obvious thing to do would be to get a metred EV charging point and bill the tenant separately. There are even grant schemes to help pay for the cost.

It's not like EVs are going away. Every house with a driveway is likely to have one eventually. She might as well get ahead of the curve.

[-] Technofrood@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Alternatively I remember when I was a kid my grandparents would spend several weeks in a holiday let that had a coin operated meter for the electric, we had to keep feeding it coins to keep getting power, surely they could do the same thing these days.

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[-] Hogger85@feddit.uk 17 points 1 year ago

I get the safety concerns but does she say "no charging cars" in the terms and conditions. I am not sure this is theft any more than charging mobile phones and tablets would be. If she is worried about how much electricity then take meter readings and make it accepted terms that all electricity is to be paid for. What if one guest choses to use the oven for a five course meal. Is that theft of electricry

[-] Maraval26@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

IMO the electric oven is an appliance of the house, can be used at your better convenience. But the consumption of your car, was it by fuel or by electricity by charging a 80 - 100 kWh car battery, should not be supported by the property owner.

And you are comparing a phone battery with a car battery, I get that on paper it looks like that same but obviously this is messed up comparison. Sounds like comparing filling water for pasta cooking and filling a 40k L swimming pool…

In the end, the answer will be that renting prices will increase to support the extra electricity cost. And those not having an electric car will pay more for nothing more.

[-] Kerrigor@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Better not charge your phone or laptop either then 🙄

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

A smartphone battery is about 4,000mAh a Tesla Model 3 is about 62kWh

One thing is not like another

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah you're comparing Amps to Watts, apples to oranges

[-] mackwinston@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

4Ah at 5 volts is 20 watt hours, or 1/3100th of a Tesla battery.

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You’re absolutely right. I’ll let you do the maths

[-] Beryl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A smartphone battery is usually operating at around 3.7V, so a 4500mAh cell would give you about 17Wh.

[-] Kerrigor@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Oh no, oh no, it's a few pence worth of electricity. Screeching noises THIEF!! HOW DARE YOU USE THE INCLUDED UTILITIES

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

According to my quick calculations- my current home tariff is 31p per kilowatt hour

A Tesla model 3 has a 62kWh - so about £19 to recharge. If I’m staying there a couple of weeks and intend to drive heavily that would mount up. I’d definitely check with the house owner as a courtesy

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[-] Nach@midwest.social 16 points 1 year ago

We once stayed at an Airbnb in Florida. The property owners were not local. They had an employee come give us an orientation to the house upon check in. During the check-in he had us read the electric meter. When we left we had to read the meter again. The electric rate was in the rental contract so it became part of our final bill. It was a little strange but it made sense that we would pay for what we used.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

🤣 I really, really don't get the appeal of airbnb... It's like the worst part of homeownership, while also paying hotel prices. From cleaning rooms to now paying for electricity... What is even the point? Not to mention whenever I check the prices they are basically on par with hotels. Absolutely bananas.

[-] quicksand@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

It used to be a cheap and awesome alternative to hotels. You could rent a house for the price of a hotel. Or rent a room for far cheaper than a hotel. Now, greed took over, everyon wanted to get in on it, and it is much less reliable and trustworthy than it was before. I don't even check AirBNB anymore, just opt for hotels

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[-] bijuice@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Would it make sense if a hotel did that?

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

NEWS BREAK: Landlord gets slightly less money in the mail one month.

[-] Auzy@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago

These delusional Airbnb owners just make crap rules on the spot.

It's not theft. If they don't want you doing it, they need to specify it

Better to use hotels instead, at least you know what you're getting

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[-] DJDarren@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

I've not read the article because I refuse to give the Express any attention. They're only very slightly better than the Daily Mail, and that's only because their reach isn't as great. This article will almost certainly be coming from the perspective of "new things bad, old things good, so we'll sow a feeling of distrust in our aging readers", and I have no time for that shit.

But to answer the question; no, of course it isn't, unless, as /u/Hogger85 has said, the AirBnB owner has specifically banned EV charging. If they haven't, then it should be considered part of the cost of doing business and accounted for the same way they would any other energy usage.

[-] PupBiru@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

and if they have banned EV charging they should realise nobody is going to honour that rule anyway and stop being such a dick, suck it up, and get on with running their airbnb like a normal person that doesn’t care about a few of £ of electricity per mo

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[-] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

I think it's about the scale of things. I have actually seen properties that ask electric car owners notify them, and charge if they use an excessive amount.

Charging your phone, you'd probably struggle to use more than 10p of electricity over a week's stay.

If I have a 30KWh battery in my car, and charge half of it a night for 6 nights, that's £30 in electric.
It's possibly not theft, more akin to leaving the oven on constantly, but it's cheeky as fuck to do it without checking first.

Additionally, a property that hasn't ever considered electric car charging may not have electrics that stand up to hours of 3KW+ draw on top of the base load.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago

Technically though they're paying for the use of the property which presumably also includes electricity use. Legally I'm not sure where the line is drawn, presumably there is some kind of fair use usage clause but I'm not sure where that would be.

[-] PrincessCharlotte@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Is it theft to charge any other device at a holiday house? No, of course not. That's ridiculous.

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Jesus Christ, no. It isn't theft.

[-] TheNumberOfGeese@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Technically, no, as in the UK, you can't steal electricity... you can only abstract electricity, which is an offence in its own right. (IANAL)

I'll get my coat.

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I’m not sure it is theft. But I’d certainly ask the owner before doing it as an act of politeness

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What is that, like the equivalent of 2 euros on the electric bill?

[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, I would say 1kWh being 30-50p and the car battery, say, 50-100kWh, maths would end up being between 0.3*50=15 and 0.5*100=50. Not insurmountable, but definitely not nothing.

[-] frazorth@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

Are you saying it is something between £15 and £50?

At £50 l, that's more than my wife's car is to fill up, and would let it run for 400 miles or so. Are those numbers accurate because that's wild that electricity costs as much as petrol.

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[-] money_loo@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm looking at my Tesla app right now in the charging section and I average about 15 dollars a month of electricity, at 14c a kw/h.

So somewhere around 0.50 cents a day in added cost. This landlord is just being fussy and fearful of the "new".

Like people back in the day thinking light switches could shock you dead for flipping them.

*I looked it up for the area specifically and their electricity is up to 40 cents equivalent dollars a kilowatt hour, so it could be up to 3.50 or so bucks a day if it's charging non stop. Electricity is expensive over there and I stand corrected.

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