Should we tip hospo staff in New Zealand? (www.rnz.co.nz)

submitted 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) by GGNZ@lemmy.nz to c/newzealand@lemmy.nz

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I disagree with introducing tipping here. It feels like the public is being asked to prop up the hospitality industry and cover for low wages. If workers aren't being paid enough, that's an issue employers and the government need to fix, not something customers should take on.

What do you think? Should tipping become the norm in New Zealand?

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[-] BalpeenHammer@lemmy.nz 5 points 6 hours ago

Disgusting habit. Stop pushing this nonsense on us.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Tip them with handouts on federal labor laws, award rates, union info, and anonymous workplace ombudsman report line.

[-] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 14 points 11 hours ago

The unspoken next step is to reduce minimum wage for hospo workers since they're getting tips.

In the end this will benefit businesses not workers.

[-] alexc@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago

Nope. Because once you normalize tipping, you then start having conversations about how much. Before you know it, you the tipper are paying for peoples wage increases.

I’d rather pay more at the register and see people make a better working wage.

[-] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago

This here exactly.

I'm in Australia and the fuckers in every bar and restaurant are trying to enforce tipping through the payment systems.

We have overtime, holiday leave loading (paid more to go on holidays), personal leave. We don't need any of that eroded, and pass it onto tips.

[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

If you can't afford to pay your staff enough for them to want to work for you, then your business has failed - you just haven't run out of cash yet.

Pay them properly, or admit that you don't have a viable business model.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 12 points 14 hours ago

"Minimum wage is $24 or I think it's roughly around that at the moment, and a waitress or waiter could easily make $10 in an hour, that's about $44 in an hour, that's pretty good - I reckon that's pretty good money."

I don't trust this guy running a business... $24+$10 isn't $44. Plus, they only make good tips during the time lots of people are there. Outside of rush hour it will be slow.

Plus his idea of cheaper prices = more people in the door is undone if he thinks they will tip high and his staff will make more than they do now. If you are attracting people with low prices rather than quality, then you will not get high tippers.

All in all, I'm gonna say that encouraging tipping in NZ is a step in the wrong direction.

[-] nobody158@sh.itjust.works 11 points 14 hours ago

As an American don't do it it's not worth it.

[-] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Seconded. It's a practice that really only exists to pit employees against customers for wages, rather than taking it to their employers who are actually responsible for paying them.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 13 hours ago

For a while we had many hospitality places with POS units that would ask for tips. The trend seems to have died off so hopefully that shows customers won't accept it.

Also pretty sure no one here is pushing for tipping, OP even said they were against it in the body of the post. Just that Lemmy users don't get to decide much 😆