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Researchers at the University of Southampton in the UK successfully stored the entirety of the human genome sequence onto an indestructible 5D optical memory crystal no bigger than a penny. The indestructibility claims are no joke since the discs can withstand temperatures up to 1,000°C, cosmic radiation, and even direct impact forces of 10 tons per cm2.

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[-] foofiepie@lemmy.world 116 points 10 months ago

These marketing types shouldn’t be allowed to call anything ‘indestructible’ until they’ve given it to my kid to play with for a week.

[-] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 47 points 10 months ago

It's indestructible, but not unflushable.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 months ago

Careful, it may very well kill your kid and upload them to the cloud

The '5D' in the name comes from the fact that, unlike 2D markings on a piece of paper or tape, this method uses two optical dimensions and three spatial coordinates to write throughout the material.

Went to the article seeking answers but got only more questions.

[-] Asetru@feddit.org 70 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage

The "5-dimensional" descriptor is only a marketing term, since the device has 3 physical dimensions and no exotic higher dimensional properties. The fractal/holographic nature of its data storage is also purely 3-dimensional. The size, orientation and three-dimensional position of the nanostructures comprise the so-called five dimensions.

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Further down in the article it is a little clearer...

In this case, the 5 dimensions inside of the discs are the size and orientation in relation to the 3-dimensional position of the nanostructures. The concept of being 5-dimensional means that one disc has several different images depending on the angle that one views it from, and the magnification of the microscope used to view it.

The website even lists a little more...

In order to increase the data capacity of optical storage, there is the potential of storing more than one bit in a single voxel by implementing multiplex technology. The recently developed 5D optical storage technique uses birefringence as an extra degree of freedom – the property of a medium whereby its refractive index varies depending on the polarization and direction of incident light. Birefringence generated by the orientation and size of optical nano-gratings offers two extra dimensions, providing much higher storage capacities.

So, it's supposedly three dimensions of position plus angle and (maybe?) polarity. So, it seems to be more than just a marketing gimmick, but I can't find any information about the resolution of those additional two parameters, so I can't tell if a single voxel stores two bits or two terabits.

[-] Nawor3565 44 points 10 months ago

It sounds kinda like the "trick" on the internet for fitting more notes onto a note-sheet for an exam. You're still using the same physical space to store information, but you're introducing a new degree of freedom that allows you to increase storage density.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

It makes me think about how the 2.5d glass screen protectors with bevelled edge eventually became 3d for curved screen phones, then 5d, then 9d, and I've seen some silly 1000d and 9999d because clearly none of these marketing idiots remember what the d numbers even referred to in the first place. They used to explain what each d gave you and now its just a number and higher is better.

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[-] towerful@programming.dev 5 points 10 months ago

Seems more like 5 axis than 5 dimensions.
Sounds like a slice through the crystal that can be moved up and down and rotated through 2 angles (eg roll and pitch)

[-] gazter@aussie.zone 4 points 10 months ago

5 axis and 5 dimensions are essentially the same thing, right? A 2D graph has 2 axes, a 3D one has three, 4D graph can be shown with colour representing the 4th axis, etc.

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[-] LennethAegis@fedia.io 4 points 10 months ago

So, as I understand it, and I don't, 5D is just fancy marketing due to the really weird properties of the crystals used to store the data in. They are just calling properties of the crystal, dimensions.


I found the wiki page on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage

According to the University of Southampton:

The 5-dimensional discs [have] tiny patterns printed on 3 layers within the discs. Depending on the angle they are viewed from, these patterns can look completely different. This may sound like science fiction, but it's basically a really fancy optical illusion. In this case, the 5 dimensions inside of the discs are the size and orientation in relation to the 3-dimensional position of the nanostructures. The concept of being 5-dimensional means that one disc has several different images depending on the angle that one views it from, and the magnification of the microscope used to view it. Basically, each disc has multiple layers of micro and macro level images.[16]

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 17 points 10 months ago

It's actually cromulent technical terminology to call those extra degrees of freedom "dimensions", it's only in common parlance that "dimension" is restricted specifically to spatial dimension. Having hundreds or even thousands of dimensions is not unknown in data science.

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[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Digitize all national history, literature, and culture. Put them on a hundred of these and distribute them all over the world. Refresh every 6 mos. Keep one on a server that all the kids can access.

Next time there's war or whatever intolerant culture comes into power, and loots the museums, stops culture, or blows up statues, at least you've kept the history alive.

Think of it as the Library of Alexandria in horcrux form.

P.S. Important to include a user's guide, reference schematics for the reader, and FAQs, etched into something semi-permanent alongside all the copies.

[-] pickleprattle@midwest.social 19 points 10 months ago

Make sure it has friendly words on the front line Don't Panic.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just shot them in all directions from the solar system into space, but also add ads so aliens know to ignore and avoid us.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

5 billion years from now some archeologist reconstructing the data found on a usb stick floating in the asteroid belt only to (gleefully) find out it was a porn stash they found.

Now we ofc all know this amazing find under its famous name 'Rosetta Bone pizza delivery service'.

[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago

Nice. We need something like this. Digital archiving is still best done on magnetic tape as disk and flash drives all fail after a few decades. But even for regular users, it'd be nice to keep a digital copy of family photos that lasts forever.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 10 months ago
[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As someone who works in a digital archives, let me tell you that the honest to god problem with old tape is that you have to find an old tape reader (drive) that works. Tape from those old IBM reals still works if its not exposed to the elements. But like the modern LTO stuff, finding a reader for that old stuff is the challenge.

[-] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 16 points 10 months ago

This is how we make the magic orbs a reality

[-] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

I've always wanted to add some extra dimensions to my pondering

[-] MacStache@programming.dev 16 points 10 months ago

1: "Please, destroy my datacrystal when I die. Like a true friend." 2: "But dude...it's indestructible..." 3: "I will destroy the crystal! I will take it to mount doom!" 2: "...And my axe."

[-] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago

1000°C aint that much, a blowtorch could easily reach that

[-] UNY0N@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Still considerably better than blueray.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 13 points 10 months ago

They say “billions of years” but that sounds like just the sort of thing a stray cosmic ray would ruin.

Maybe they’re planning on using a checksum for error correction like they do with RAID.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

On that timescale, what are the odds that the checksum is still reliable?

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

Why would it be any different from the real data? Checksumming is basically just writing extra copies with math.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I'm asking why it would be more reliable if it has the same vulnerability to being corrupted.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago
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[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 13 points 10 months ago

Well on our way to the God Emperor's stolen journals now

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wow, Kryptonians were really ahead of the curve.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

And the goa'uld, and everyone on Babylon 5...

[-] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

If all of this came true at an affordable consumer price, I think I would build a new computer just to use it

[-] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

if this comes even semi consumer grade Internet archivists (and pirates) are gonna have a field day

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 months ago

Why did you say the same thing twice like that? 🤔

[-] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Hence my need for a new computer to take advantage of this lol

[-] grandel@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

Plastic is also indestructible and look where it got us

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Plastic is also destructive and look where its profits got us

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, great can I buy it? No? Okay another 10 years then.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 9 points 10 months ago

This isn't a "this is your home PCs future storage" news. The read & write rates are probably abysmally slow and the intention here is for actual knowledge databases that may survive us as a species.

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[-] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

can i get this for my phone?

[-] Socket462@feddit.it 2 points 10 months ago

Fits fine in the "three body problem" novel.

More on the serious side of this news, I can't imagine the speed of writing or reading, but shouldn't be very fast, or am I wrong?

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