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[-] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

"They were just roommates."

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Then how do they explain them wearing wedding rings in the last ep

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

They wore rings to show their commitment, to fashion.

[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

they were friendship rings. the real question is how eri and miorine are sisters in law

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

It's actually a misinterpretation. You see, they're uhhhhh step-sisters. Right, so, Prospera and Delling got married.

[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

wtf-am-i-reading

This is so dumb...

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

This feels like more corporate conservatism, definitely something typical of the old male corporate leadership, the fucking 80 dinosaurs that just wont retire trying to think more about the long term future of the franchise and being scared about being at the front of a "social issue" even though for the target audience here, gay relationships are definitely not taboo in any way in media, though it may not be their preference.

With regards to China I do think it is possible that these out of touch execs are self-censoring because they think it will be easier to avoid problems in the future, i.e their own misguided and false perception of China(let alone the west and even JP itself) makes them believe self-censorship will be beneficial.

Also this is not about male otaku pressure at all, yuri fandom is very much male gaze oriented like it or not so if they were male partners, yeah maybe. But even then I think Yuri on Ice and Free are like a decade old now even mainstream yaoi is not taboo to anyone in JP so yeah its very much likely male cowardice BS. Maybe if someone can go and look at 2ch reaction but I very very much doubt anyone is supporting them.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the next level of yuri-bait: make an entire show with openly gay characters that get married but clarify afterwards "no they were just friends".

[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

That handhold during their reunion was gay as shit, like mega gay

[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is one of the genuinely most baffling things I've ever seen.

Some people on reddit-logo think it is for the Chinese market which first of all, didn't even air on the mainland, and also just standard Sinophobic stuff (yes China seems to have very mixed record in regards to queer rep, I'm probably wrong). I'm glad that there is some pushback of people saying Japanese people can be homophobic. I just kinda think the suits at top flipped and cracked down on this.

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For over 40 years Gundam has had straight white male protags, heaven forbid it be a gay woman we must not upset the precious otaku who buys our injection mold plastic gunpla kits.

[-] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

For over 40 years Gundam has had straight white male protags

Hey, to be fair, Yoshiyuki Tomino has frequently credited the fujoshi contingent for helping Gundam get off the ground at the beginning, even more than the gunpla fans.>

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Cool, didn't know this.

[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

It's funny because the G-Witch kits were doing really well.

[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

first queer woman of color as a gundam protag was in 1999

(i am only half joking here)

[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

i genuinely think loran has some gender going on, but because it's the early 20th century he doesn't have any of the language to express it, and so it just manifests as him being completely fine with dressing up as laura from time to time

[-] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The deep lore is that Loran was Tomino's 2nd attempt at a girl protagonist and the suits deep-sixed that idea again. What we ended up with's probably better tho.

[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

is anyone surprised at japan queer baiting?

[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

yes, because the show shows them as a married couple

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

It's not really queer baiting because they already objectively made them a gay couple. IDK what to call this. Old conservatives having a temper tantrum demanding to return to the 80s?

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

return to the 80s

Didn't Sailor Moon have some pretty openly lesbian characters?

[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

yeah, there have been plenty of queer characters in anime since the 80s. sailor moon wasn't 80s, but things like dirty pair and ranma 1/2 were. and yoshiyuki tomino, creator of gundam, was very open about how he wanted audiences to think amuro and char (the main characters of the first series and important ones in several later ones) might be gay

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

My mistake about when Sailor Moon came out; I assumed it was late 80s.

Char definitely set off my gaydar all along.

[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

char and garma were definitely fucking

[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Season 1 of Sailor Moon was in 1992, while the last episode of the original run was on the 8th February 1997.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I'm older than that, but it felt 80s to me. meemaw

[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The 80s were less progressive in some ways, such as the rampant sexism or the "Lolicon Boom" in the mid part of the decade, which sometimes left it's ugly traces on anime outside of Wretched OVAs.

On the other hand, the production of Anime was left to people far to the left of today in many cases. Be it unionized workers attempting to block the making of Future War Year 198X over its antisovietism, or openly anti-imperialist plots in say Fang of the Sun Dougram, SPT Blue Comet Layzner or the second Patlabor movie (1993, but still) to even outright progressive stances on LGBT+ people such as in a famous episode of Dirty Pair back in '85. Apparently Stop! Hibari-Kun (1983) features a transgender protagonist, and is full of transphobia... but the transphobes are the butt of the joke.

Then starting in the mid 90s Evangelion came and old lefty directors from the 70s and 80s started retiring, leaving the door open to Anime produced by weebs for weebs and the stuff that brought Anime infamy started showing up more and more (it was profitable). Probably peaking in the 2010s.

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