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I vaguely remember a user debunking this claim but I cannot find that comment and I don’t remember what post it was on.

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[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

We can debunk it, but that would involve the party making this claim actually having to read, think, and challenge their past assumptions. They may well do that in some contexts, but not when they're arguing in bad faith and parroting stupid lines like this one.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:

USSR provided free education to all citizens resulting in literacy rising from 33% to 99.9%:

USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960's, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:

Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:

USSR moved from 58.5-hour work weeks to 41.6 hour work weeks (-0.36 h/yr) between 1913 and 1960:

USSR averaged 22 days of paid leave in 1986 while USA averaged 7.6 in 1996:

In 1987, people in the USSR could retire with pension at 55 (female) and 60 (male) while receiving 50% of their wages at a at minimum. Meanwhile, in USA the average retirement age was 62-67 and the average (not median) retiree household in the USA could expect $48k/yr which comes out to 65% of the 74k average (not median) household income in 2016:

GDP took off after socialism was established and then collapsed with the reintroduction of capitalism:

The Soviet Union had the highest physician/patient ratio in the world. USSR had 42 doctors per 10,000 population compared to 24 in Denmark and Sweden, and 19 in US:

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

USSR produced many firsts in the realm of science and technology:

  • 1957: First intercontinental ballistic missile R-7 Semyorka
  • 1957: First orbiting satellite, Sputnik 1
  • 1957: First living in orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2
  • 1957: First nuclear powered icebreaker "Lenin" weighing in at 19,240 tons of steel
  • 1958: First Tokamak thermonuclear experimental system
  • 1959: First man-made object to leave the Earth's orbit, Luna 1
  • 1959: First communication to and from Luna 1 with Earth
  • 1959: First object to pass near the moon, and the first object in orbit around the Moon, Luna 1
  • 1959: First satellite hit the moon, Luna 2
  • 1959: First images of the dark side of the moon, Luna 3
  • 1960: First satellite to be launched to Mars, the Marsnik 1
  • 1961: First satellite to Venus, Venera 1
  • 1961: First person to enter orbit around the Earth, Yuri Gagarin in Vostok 1
  • 1961: First person to spend a day in orbit, Gherman Titov – Vostok 2
  • 1962: First flight of two astronauts, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4
  • 1963: First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6
  • 1964: First flight of several astronauts, Voskhod 1
  • 1965: First spacewalk, Aleksei Leonov, Voskhod 2
  • 1965: First probe to another planet Venus, Venera 3
  • 1966: First probe to descend on the moon and send from there, Luna 9
  • 1966: First probe in lunar orbit, Luna 10
  • 1967: First meeting of unmanned Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188, this aws not achieved by US until 2006
  • 1969: First docking and crew exchange in orbit, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5
  • 1970: First signals sent to the moon by Luna 16
  • 1970: First mobile robot, Lunokhod 1
  • 1970: First data sent by a probe from another planet (Venus), Venera 7
  • 1971: First space station, Salyut 1
  • 1971: First satellite in orbit around Mars and landing on Mars 2
  • 1975: First satellite in orbit around Venus and sending data to earth, Venera 9
  • 1984: First woman to walk in space, Svetlana Savitskaja on Salyut 7
  • 1986: First team to visit two space stations Salyut and Mir
  • 1986: First permanent space station in Earth orbit from 1986 to 2001, MIR
  • 1987: First team to spend more than a year aboard Mir, Vladimir Titov and Musa Manarov

These are just some of the biggest technological and social achievements of the Soviet Union.

academic studies on USSR

Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possilbe:

Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:

A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.

So, how do people who lived under communism feel now that they got a taste of capitalism?

The Free market paradise goes East chapters in Blackshirts and Reds details some more results of the transition to capitalism.

[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Capitalism doesn't even work on paper or demonstrably in reality.

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Oh it works. Just not for the vast majority of people.

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