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With the president's decision to drop out of the race, he has effectively begun a longer lame-duck period, which is historically when most presidential clemency grants have occurred.

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[-] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 89 points 1 month ago

Not so sure it's correct to say he's already in the "lame duck" phase the article mentions where most presidents stuff their clemency grants. It might be true in a literal sense, but public perception is presumably the main reason presidents wait until that period for this sort of thing, and I'm sure he's still very conscious of how his own PR could affect Harris's campaign.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

By the article’s logic, every president elected to a second term has entered their lame duck phase the day after the election.

[-] zigmus64@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

They have…. That’s why there is a usual trend of bolder actions taken by second term presidents because they’re no longer eligible for candidacy for President.

That’s also why we can’t fuck about with a second Trump term.

Yes, this is not uncommon in US politics.

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it:

In U.S. politics, the period between (presidential and congressional) elections in November and the inauguration of officials early in the following year is commonly called the "lame-duck period".

A president elected to a second term is sometimes seen as a lame duck from early in the second term, since term limits prevent them from contesting re-election four years later. However, not personally having to face the electorate again makes a second-term president more powerful than they were in their first term as they are thus freer to take politically unpopular actions. However, this comes with caveats; as the de facto leader of their political party, the president's actions affect how the party performs in the midterm elections two years into the second term, and, to some extent, the success of that party's nominee in the next presidential election four years in the future. For these reasons, it can be argued that a president in their second term is not a lame duck at all.

So while you're right that the assertion the author is making is misguided, it's a fallacy that is made often enough that some might conflate it with reality.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

They keep trying to extend the term lame duck.

[-] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

It’s like Christmas season. Soon the lame duck period will start before they even begin campaigning for their first term!

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

C'mon he won't do this until the elections over. Nothing controversial until after the election.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

C'mon he won't do this at all.

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 14 points 1 month ago

Sure he will. There are only 150 of them. The rest are state convictions, which don’t count.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

If you say so. Are centrists still saying that he already rescheduled cannabis?

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 6 points 1 month ago

You mean as a tactic to get votes for Kamala?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I mean as a lie, since cannabis hasn't been rescheduled and was never gonna be under Biden.

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

He asked the DEA to reevaluate which is all he can do legally unless congress passes new laws.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

If it hasn't been rescheduled, it's a lie to say it has been rescheduled.

[-] OlinOfTheHillPeople@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You're the only one who mentioned anything about rescheduling.

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[-] ravhall@discuss.online 6 points 1 month ago

There isn’t a clear yes or no answer to your question, since it is leading.

Are you waiting for someone to be released from federal prison that was only charged with possession?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I'm not waiting for Biden to do anything. I saw how that went with rescheduling. You want to believe Lucy won't pull the football away, go ahead.

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 7 points 1 month ago

Sorry, I don’t know who Lucy is, and I’m not into football.

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I'm a really disappointed centrist. Ain't nobody doin' shit.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hello Mr Crab! What shall we discuss today? Here we have your "b b b but Biden bad!"

[-] ravhall@discuss.online 6 points 1 month ago

They’re just a single-issue voter.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Ok, sure. He'll totally do it. He's not Crime Bill Biden anymore. Most progressive human to ever grace this worthless rock or whatever. No criticism of your god allowed.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ah sarcasm and appeal to a diety that 'obviously thou worships him like a god', when I simply point out a fact that he won't do a controversial thing until after the election. That a simple fact to you means worship is laughable. I wonder if it's projection.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You speculated he was waiting because it was controversial. I speculated he wasn't going to do it at all. Your speculation is no more fact than mine. Yet you also believed that Biden was gonna reschedule cannabis, and that was a fucking lie too.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

It's a fact that pardons, especially controversial ones, come at the end after the election. That this means worship to you is still laughable. You're now just trying to be pedantic on the word fact.

Still mad that it's just a little ahead of the ball to say that he (whatever agency really) rescheduled marijuana? Boy. Not to mention it's just another form of trying to be pedantic.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Still mad that it’s just a little ahead of the ball

He never intended to reschedule, and he ran out the clock.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Didn't we already discuss this? It's not him, it's whatever agency that decides (afaik). He told them to take a look at it hint hint wink wink 'it's not 1960 anymore'.

So, you're still playing pedantic games huh.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Didn’t we already discuss this? It’s not him, it’s whatever agency that decides

He would individually ask every federal employee in person if that's what it took to run out the clock. Or until he got the "no" he was after.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ahh the b b b but Biden bad! train. See this is the speculation that you project. Are we having fun today yet?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Ahh the b b b but Biden bad! train. See this is the speculation that you project

Whatever you say. Cannabis is rescheduled and the pardons happened. The genocide stopped too. And we're not fracking anymore.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So still pedantic. And of course you know you can't defend that, so you throw strawmans at me so that you can wrap the whole thing into one fake little package. Who accused the other of lies? We see it was projection. Just so you can be mad at me. Fun times huh.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Cannabis still isn't rescheduled. That's an actual fact. Unlike your "He's gonna pardon them after the election" speculation.

[-] baronvonj@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You're conflacting people saying "X won't be done until after the election" with "X will be done after the election." The former isn't a declaration that X will be done, just an assertion that if it is done it won't be until after the election.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yup still mad that it's a little ahead of the ball. Guess you didn't like me pointing out the other things you tried to combine in it because you dropped them pretty quick. All you have is your weird pedantic games.

I also edited my comment about you projecting lies, make sure you read it!

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Oh, what do you suppose I actually am? What mask do you imagine I'm wearing?

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 35 points 1 month ago

The letter referred to mentions "more than 150 people currently serving federal sentences for non-violent cannabis-related offenses" -- not the "estimated 3,000 individuals still incarcerated in our federal prison system for cannabis" that the article states.

Almost all non-violent cannabis-related offenses are state convictions, for which the president has no pardon power. This article seems to gloss over that fact. As others in this thread have stated, no such action is going to happen until after the election anyway.

Whle I don't disagree with the main thrust of this opinion article, it's a bit misleading and unrealistic in its timeline.

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

unrealistic in its timeline?

people have waited for decades for a president from any party to give any amount of shits

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago

As others in this thread have stated, no such action is going to happen until after the election anyway.

[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

I'll be shocked if he actually keeps his word.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

He kicked off the process to have them investigate it so it could be reclassified back in 2022. The reclassification would be the grounds for courts to accept changes in sentences. Once the reclassification is done Congress will have to write the bill, not the executive branch, he's done his part already.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-submits-proposed-regulation-reschedule-marijuana

The president can't just bypass the judicial or legislative branch and magically make it happen.

[-] Westdragon@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I suspect that if he intends a mass pardon he will do it after the election. Common sense says that there is more risk of negative campaign influence then positive in this case, and why would he risk it?

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

He can't pardon people from state crimes, all he can do is pardon from federal. Once reclassified, he can "urge" Congress to write legislation to superceed state laws, be he isn't the the legislative branch.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

The difference here is pardoning [clutches pearls] criminals. Which will be spun to dangerous, convicted, surely "seriously bad guys" that plead down to a lesser charge.

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