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Would a brigade effort to "engage" with Trump ads in streaming services force the campaign to waste extra money, and make a viable psyop when they measure their telemetry? (lemmy.world)
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[-] EvilBit@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

I was just wondering about a general privacy goal of having an LLM bot just flood the zone with random data to try and confound advertising models, simulating clicks and likes/engagement across the spectrum just to wreck any meaningful data correlations.

If you were aiming this concept at two specific targets, i.e., costing the Trump campaign money and screwing with their data, things could get really interesting. Like an open source bot that would coordinate bizarre trends across large cohorts of users to convince the data miners that, for example, a disproportionate number of voters in key regions are demographically or behaviorally skewed.

[-] tarmarbar@startrek.website 31 points 3 months ago

Take a look at this browser extension: https://adnauseam.io/

As online advertising becomes ever more ubiquitous and unsanctioned, AdNauseam works to complete the cycle by automating ad clicks universally and blindly on behalf of its users. Built atop uBlock Origin, AdNauseam quietly clicks on every blocked ad, registering a visit on ad networks' databases. As the collected data gathered shows an omnivorous click-stream, user tracking, targeting and surveillance become futile.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago

AdNauseam quietly clicks on every blocked ad, registering a visit on ad networks' databases

Do those clicks appear to be coming from me, or from some random fake identity?

False floods of data or not, there are some things I'd rather not have any identifiable contact with at all.

[-] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

From my understanding, they appear to be coming from you- that's kinda the point.

[-] Zoot@reddthat.com 3 points 3 months ago

It should atleast poison any data they gather about you right? Since you're not ever going to realistically click on any of these ads, it would now look like anything and everything interests you

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

it would now look like anything and everything interests you

That could get you on some interesting lists.

Personally, I'd rather not have any database think I was interested in certain topics, no matter how false that data is.

[-] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

That's the point. You can't really build an advertising profile if they literally engage with every single thing all the time.

[-] EvilBit@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Ooh, that’s nice. Now change “omnivorous” to “targeted” and things get interesting.

Thanks, friend!

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 months ago

Personally, I’d just limit it to feeding them data that a large undecided segment believes a few provably false outlandish things, so that they publicly endorse said things when they could be spending time doing something socially destructive.

[-] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 months ago

Can we get the politicians to shift from illegal aliens to Sasquatch? Build a wall across Washington state and make Canada pay for it?

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

It’s a well documented issue tied directly to gambling…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgfaSLO_T4A

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 months ago

I mean wouldn't it be crazy, to get something like people are eating cats and dogs publicly said.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 months ago

I like the idea, but I'd worry about getting sued for fraud. Though it's not likely that would be a top issue what with his trying to stay out of prison.

[-] EvilBit@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I’m not a lawyer but I’m not sure how liable you’d be. People run bots all the time. Plus, this is all about numbers. You can’t sue thousands of people like that.

[-] Blackout@fedia.io 13 points 3 months ago

Web ads already drain accounts like water in a bathtub. Your ideal click thru rate is in the mid 2% and that's just clicks, not conversions. If you are a politician it's a lousy and expensive way to market yourself. Just like businesses you do it just to crowd out others that are doing the same thing.

[-] SynAcker@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

I read once that a good thing to do was to physically mail a low denomination check to the campaign. All because the work and effort to record and deposit the funds was so labor intensive by an actual person.

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

As much as the hacker in me would love to do this, I sincerely hope ideas (posts... not ideas really) like this don't become fodder for the paranoia propaganda machine driving MAGA.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Let’s be honest, they’d probably already be screaming foul play regardless.

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I have no problem taking flack for it. In my view they're so far off base that a flurry of unforced errors unravel with every variable.

[-] macrocarpa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Anything that you can think of has already been thought of, modelled, and done by international actors who have more resources, technical capability and time than you, and have far fewer morals.

You want a specific outcome to this election? So do Russia and China. They're a lot better at this than you are and are orders of magnitude more invested in it.

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm spitballing for a conversation. I don't think I'm a pivotal strategic player.

Edit: that said, I do think what you said is certainly worth mention, so I want to get ahead of my defensiveness.

So to continue, do you think that such a tactic would be valuable for a state funded interest?

[-] EABOD25@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

Don't stoop to their level

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 27 points 3 months ago

Stoop lower and fucking destroy them

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Dig a pit below their levels so they'll fall in it, then fill the pit.

[-] Miphera@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Put some lava there. Knowing them, they're probably digging straight down.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 months ago

Bruh. “They go low, we go high” gave us fucking Trump. That strategy didn’t work. We are not trying it again in a nearly identical context.

[-] EABOD25@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

And if you start a brigading campaign against them, it'll just be used to raise their platform.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

They do this anyways

[-] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Then why prove them right?

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Because not showing up to a propaganda war is a serious tactical loss that can and does have strategic implications on the outcome of the election.

We are fighting the fucking fascists, dude. No quarter can or should be given. We are not polite to fascists. We do not respect fascists. We do not offer aid to fascists. We harm them whenever and wherever we reasonably can, because they’re fucking doing that to the rest of us as a matter of their ideology. We do not extend an assumption of good faith. We punch them in the face and kick them when they’re down.

The only - and I do mean ONLY - exception is when a fascist says “I want to get out, I don’t want to be a fascist any more”. Help those people. They are trying to escape. They are returning to sanity. The rest MUST be regarded as a lost cause, because that’s the ideology they’re supporting.

This is not a point I will ever compromise on.

If this comment gets me a ban for inciting violence, I’m ok with that. I’ll ride it out. But YOU: do not come here and sympathy troll for fascists. That is not going to fucking fly.

[-] EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Haha. Sympathy troll? I hope you don't get banned because you're entertaining. I guess saying not to do the same thing shitty people do and to rise above it is me giving them sympathy? You got some wires crossed. You're what I consider a left radical. And don't misunderstand. I'm a left-leaning libertarian. We are one of the weirdest groups on the left. Like expecting personal freedoms in a social government. I get it's odd, but you are saying that the only way to win is to troll the trolls. What does that accomplish besides vilifying us further down the road instead of continuing to let Trump's GOP continue to implode.

And if people do decide that they feel their side is wrong and switch to the other side, it is fine. However (through experience), you are the only person I've interacted with who has said that. So with all evidence that I have seen you are minority in that belief. Everyone else has absolute condemnation in their mind

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

lol I’m really not a “left radical”.

My political identity, if I had to put a name to it, would probably be closest to “Scandinavian Socialist”, but there’s a fair bit of nuance that doesn’t quite match up. For instance: I’m a strong proponent of right to privacy, but I fully disagree that personal freedoms are incompatible with socialism. They’re orthogonal, most of the time, and when they do intersect, reasonable governments (see: scandanavian socialism) do try to find the least onerous balance that preserves the common good, while restricting personal rights as lightly as possible. Its government. It’s not perfect, it’s not going to ever be perfect, and there are TONS of interrelated, often contradictory goals that they must balance. But from what I’ve read and seen, it does seem like that system often gets a pretty positive result in a very broad swath of categories.

Anyways: I’m not talking about trolls, or “shitty people”, in general. I’m talking about fascist trolls - the most important component of that term being fascist. I’m perfectly happy to ignore or mess with garden-variety trolls, but the fascism flavored ones are different - particularly because they’re having a distressing amount of success all over the world these days in getting into power. If someone judges me for being shitty to a fascist, I’m going not only not care about their opinion, but also judge them for being sympathetic to a fascist. Fascism is a special and exceptional case, and different rules apply when dealing with it.

[-] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I will look up Scandinavian socialism because I've never heard of that specifically.

But with that being said, and with all due respect, are you calling me a fascist troll now?

Edit: Read up on it and found that "Scandinavian socialism" is a (this might be bad wording for it) red herring.

https://fee.org/articles/don-t-call-scandinavian-countries-socialist/

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/the-myth-scandinavian-socialism

But I'll continue to research to see that perhaps the sources could potentially be bias

Edit 2: I'll update with what sources I discover. I will read the articles, but it started with a simple Google search of "Scandinavian Soscialism"

https://www.lifeinnorway.net/scandinavian-socialism/

https://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/

https://catalyst.independent.org/2023/04/18/scandinavian-socialist/

https://bobocheesechimp.medium.com/clearing-up-the-confusion-about-the-nordic-countries-and-socialism-a9c6f884abe3

Edit 3: I'm done. Scandinavian socialism is not real

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Because then we also get the benefits of playing the game

[-] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

The game is pointless imo

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Your opinion doesn't really matter when the game is materially useful in reality.

[-] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

I know. Just saying I don't approve. I have no control of what you do

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What I do? I'm not a politician lol I don't get to play the game. And no, you didn't say you didn't approve, you said it was pointless. Entirely different.

[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Unfortunately there's no version of politics without gaming. Merit is clearly not enough to win alone, however I do believe all things being equal the participants with stronger merit are more resilient against the games.

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