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Almost like the goal isn't taking out Hamas leadership. Hmmm...
Nor do they want to rescue the hostages. It’s all an excuse to carry out death. In Gaza and the West Bank.
Israel loves Hamas. Let's them justify their persecution of the Palestinians and the ongoing genocide. They don't want to end Hamas until after they end the Palestinians. That way they get more land to colonize.
Israel helped with Hamas funding for a while. They have always been useful to Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
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That’s actually a myth. They didn’t “fund Hamas”, they contributed to a development fund that Hamas stole from.
"Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip."
Ok, not directly funded but they allowed the money to flow to them.
Israel held up their end of a negotiated ceasefire that included these terms. Hamas’ terms included ending attacks on Jews.
Did they?
Did Israel expect them to? Just to be clear - you are not talking to a Hamas sympathiser here. They are cunts, but apparently they are useful cunts for Israel, so they helped out with funding. What did Israel think they were going to spend those "suitcases of cash" on?
Did Israel expect them to?
Did Israel expect their negotiating partner to hold up their end of a negotiated ceasefire? Yes, they absolutely expected that.
If you don’t hold that Hamas will keep its agreements then how can they be negotiated with?
Israel isn't as stupid or naive as you seem to think. They have the best intelligence service in the world and usually know what's going on. What did they think they were going to spend the cash on? Pokémon cards?
Not all all of Israel loves Hamas, obviously. There are huge protests against the genocide in Israel by people who very much see things clearly.
Netanyahu and his fascist crooks love Hamas.
Because it's a genocide. The point isn't to just take out Hamas and say "mission accomplished", it's to take out the entirety of Palestine and say "we tried our best to save them". Hamas has to continue existing in order for Israel to keep justifying every extension to this war.
But then why commit any ground troops at all?
If they just wanted to wipe out Gaza they’d have done it on Oct 8th. Could hardly take more than an hour.
If I had to guess, I'd say funding and plausible deniability are the big reasons. The longer the war wages on, the longer the US and other allies keep sending them money and weapons. And killing them off slowly makes it easier to argue to the ICC that you weren't trying to commit genocide, it just kinda happened as an oh-so-unfortunate side-effect of defending themselves.
What “plausible deniability”?
If they spent two hours killing everyone in Gaza, it’d be over before anyone could do anything about it. And then what? Nobody’s going to war with a nuclear power in revenge for Gazans. Bibi just stops visiting Brooklyn and nothing happens.
But they don’t do that. The Jews of Israel bleed and die to save the lives of Gazans who hate them. I wouldn’t, but they do.
It took the Germans a while to liquidate the Warsaw Ghetto. The Zionists have killed 200,000 so far (according to the Lancet) and rendered all of Gaza uninhabitable.
It took the Germans a while to liquidate the Warsaw Ghetto.
Only because they used starvation instead of air power. Israel sends 3500 calories to Gaza per Gazan per day; that’s more food per day than a person eats in Luxembourg.
The Zionists have killed 200,000 so far (according to the Lancet)
You surely mean “according to a letter someone sent to the Lancet, using a methodology that counts currently-living persons as “fatalities.”
~~Israel~~ israhellonearth sends 3500 calories to Gaza per Gazan per day
Rockets and bullets don’t count.
Apparently food doesn’t either, if Jews send it
I refuse to allow Zionists to hijack the Jewish faith for their distorted agenda. Stop straw manning the argument.
You’re the one that brought this topic up, though. Like we’re talking about food aid in Gaza because you wanted to.
If you believe that then I've got a pile of international NGO and UN reports you need to read.
Because they just might actually find some of the hostages. Also it's a great way to corral people and aid, and keep them separate.
Because Israel's goal is the kill all Palestinians. According to the 3000 year old fairy tales they believe in, anyone who is not an Israelite must be killed driven off from their promised land.
Israel is a religious theocracy run by crazy genodical maniacs.
The goal is not to eliminate Hamas. The goal is to depopulate Gaza.
Look at what they do, no need to listen to what they say.
Israel is a bad faith actor.
The goal is not to destroy Hamas. This is a ridiculous excuse. Their true objective is to remove all the Palestinians from their homes, so they can occupy the land. iSSrael is a fascist, imperialist actor that tries to manipulate everyone through propaganda distributed through international media.
Because the genocide is the goal.
Because the genocide is the point.
Israeli leadership have admitted to funding Hamas' displacement of the secular moderates with predictable results - the only credible explanation for this is that it was to manufacture the pretext for their current actions.
#justautocraticfascistethnostatethings
The intention is to "liquidate" Gaza like the Wermacht liquidated the Warsaw ghetto in 1943. It is an annihilation. Hamas and the hostages are just the excuse.
Zionists did the same thing to the rest of Palestine in the Nakba of 1948. Israelis now call this the Gaza Nakba.
Err... did I misunderstood the question, or do (nearly?) all commenters have no idea what they're talking about?
You're asking why Israel doesn't assassinate Hamas's top leaders, right? Or did I misunderstood and you asking Israel doesn't ONLY assassinate Hamas's top leaders? Or are you asking why Israel responded differently to Munich?
To answer the first question, well... they are. Hamas's top leaders according to BBC are:
- Ismail Haniyeh - Killed.
- Mohammed Deif - Probably killed.
- Marwan Issa - Killed.
- Mahmoud Zahar - Alive. is 79 years old and might not be active/influential in the leadership.
- Khaled Meshaal - Alive.
- Yahya Sinwar - Alive.
Also, keep in mind that the response to the Munich massacre took about 2 decades.
As to why Israel dosen't ONLY assassinate Hamas's leadership, the simple answer is that it won't solve anything. It won't bring the hostages home (It will probably have opposite effect as a. it will leave Israel without a centralized entity with whom to negotiate and b. Sinwar might be using hostages as human shields, which also might explain why he's still alive), and it will still leave Israel with a terrorist entity next door. The official Israeli version is that the assassinations, among other things, serve as leverage on Hamas leaders to secure a deal. Obviously, this is only effective if there is some leadership left.
If you're asking why Israel responded differently to Munich, it's because the situation is totally different in numerous ways. But the question itself is also factually wrong - Israel didn't only assassinate the leaders of Black September. Firstly, the goal was to "assassinate individuals they accused of being involved in the 1972 Munich massacre", not just the leaders. Not only that, Israel also responded with raids and bombings (for example: 1973 Israeli raid in Lebanon).
None of what's happening squares as a reasonable response. Munich is some horrible memory. Maybe someone else is obsessed with it, but the genocide occurring now is the concern.
OK, I'll just answer plainly, and if I misunderstood you, feel free to correct me:
OP asked about the difference in Israel's response to Munich and Gaza. I tried answering that to the best of my ability, as it seems most other answers didn't correct the implicit assumption that Israel doesn't go after Hamas's leaders. If you think someone is "obsessed with Munich", you should respond to the OP.
However, I get the feeling some people here took the question as "let's use this question to further convince ourselves/others that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza". In this context, your reply makes more sense when it's addressed to me.
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Even according to Netanyahu's own statements, the Israeli war aims are the complete destruction of hamas. That's more than leaders. Before this began, estimates put the al-Qassam Brigades at 30-40k strong. So if we take Netanyahu at his word (which I don't recommend) then that would be the minimum for killed/captured before he could declare victory.
I don't think this one has a clear cut answer.
In other words, it'll come down to opinions rather than facts or truths.
There's at least three likely possibilities, in my opinion.
First is that hamas is decentralized well enough that taking out leadership only is kinda pointless.
Second, the goals of the current actions aren't solely about hamas, and taking out leaders would weaken the goals as they appear.
Third, mossad may not be able to achieve the goal, and failing would be too risky considering how much pressure is already building against israel. If they try to assassinate people in other countries, and they fail, that's going to make more enemies than they already have, despite those countries themselves already being less than friendly to Israel.
I suspect that the matter was considered, but discarded quickly. It just wouldn't achieve anything useful for them, despite the purported goal of destroying hamas.
Now, there's also the chances that the real goal is purely to destroy Palestine, and take full ownership of the land. That's a distinct possibility, imo. If that's the real underlying goal, doing anything to take down hamas before that's achieved would not happen.
I don't think that anyone can trust what a world leader engaged in a military action of any kind, so taking the stated goals as truth is a bad idea. But they could be, and if that's the case, then using assassination as a tool would weaken their position. It's kinda frowned on.
Further to that third point as well, there's probably also a question simply of opportunity. You could take the Munich situation as evidence of capability, but it may also have been opportunity plus capability. Intelligence seems like it's a pretty difficult game and perhaps the successes in operation bayonet had to do with fortunate and unlikely intelligence scoops that they have not luckedh upon this time around and can't rely upon as a strategy. Also, while I don't know much about the post-Munich assassinations, it sounds like they went on for over twenty years, didn't really take out many of the actually important, directly involved individuals and a lot of the people they would have logically wanted to target successfully went in to hiding out of their reach so if the strategic goal is to behead the organisation that carried out attacks as a defensive strategy to weaken their capacity to do it again, 20 years just to take out relatively minor unimportant figures isn't really going to work.
That said, it also looks, as many have stated, like "taking out Hamas" is more a convenient political smokescreen for a much more sinister goal so a very successful intelligence operation that rapidly took out all their leadership at once would actually run counter to their true objectives in this scenario.
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The "war" in Gaza isn't meant to take out Hamas. It's meant to eradicate the Palestinian people.
Ok I have seen many replies saying the same thing but the question I got if say they take Gaza what are they going to do with it? Just focus on the West Bank?
Occupy it? Same thing they've been doing to all Palestinian land, piece by piece since the 40s
Presumably. They want to kill all Palestinians or drive them out. Either is acceptable to them.
There’s some valuable real estate in those hills.
A ton of the Hamas leadership have been assassinated since the war began, there’s always replacements though
Israel isn’t “bombing stuff into oblivion”, they’re doing two things:
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Attacking subterranean structures with ground-penetrating (aka “2000 pound”) bombs, and
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Clearing a one-mile cordon along the border of structures so that Hamas attackers can’t do what they did on Oct 8, which was train and amass along the border fence in secret, hidden among the buildings and blended in with the populace.
If your army has to cross a mile of open ground to attack your fence, it’s a lot more obvious when they start. One of the reasons they succeeded in “surprising” Israel is that they just were there right by the fence, for years, until it seemed “normal.” With the buildings gone, they can’t do that.
Anyone who is sane is like fuck Israel fuck Hamas. We need those buildings. Stop you fucking idiots.
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My guess is that assassination isn't as easy as it is made out to be in the movies. The CIA, the best funded intelligence agency in the world, tried to take out Castro hundreds of times and failed. They couldn't find Osama for a decade, either, and even then the US used Seals, not the CIA. Sure, killing some rando is probably easy, but not a government leader who is actively avoiding assassination, as I'm sure Hamas leaders are doing.
Very high risk, low reward
Update tou your question, though this targeted towards Hezbullah and not Hammas: Bro they just took ~2000 of them with pinpoint accuracy in one go!
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