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[-] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 79 points 2 months ago

I love chicken, pork, and beef. I have tried the meat alternatives and I like most of what I have tried. I would be vegetarian if it honestly wasn't so expensive sometimes. Not to say meat isn't also expensive.

I work with a guy who is a vegan and honestly. I don't get the hate towards the life style. Guy is as healthy as they get and morally more sound in the area of food than I am.

What am I missing on Vegan hate or even vegetarian hate. No one imposes on me. Honestly, I feel like they have something figured out I dont.

[-] jjagaimo@lemmy.ca 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There is a small vocal minority that essentially equates anyone who keeps eating meat regardless of circumstances, preference or nuance, [to killers, murderers, etc]. Honestly a large amount of people would take a vegan option if it tasted the same, had the same texture, was as cheap or cheaper than meat, was as accessible, and didn't require learning a new skill set. There's also the availability when eating out.

Antagonizing people like that is a good way to have them disagree out of spite, and the militant vegans always have a way of inserting themselves into every conversation. I had to block people on lemmy because I just didnt want to deal with that here.

Unfortunately a vegan who is a good person isn't alwayd out there proselytizing at every chance they get in a non intrusive manner, so people rarely if ever see vegans who are reasonable people relative to vegan extremists.

[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

Honestly a large amount of people would take a vegan option if it tasted the same, had the same texture, was as cheap or cheaper than meat, was as accessible, and didn't require learning a new skill set.

And businesses would stop burning fossil fuels if renewables had the same portability, same output, were cheaper, available everywhere, and didn't require learning a new skill set. They can still be criticised for doing so, I'm not sure what your point here is?

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Keyword is small. It’s important not to extrapolate against a populace based on the actions of their extremist or reactionary members.

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[-] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 months ago

The vegan hate likely comes from people who dont really know vegans or only know them from the internet so they only know the vocal minority

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[-] regnn@infosec.pub 24 points 2 months ago

Mostly bandwagon hate because of a vocal minority. TBH I find it amusing the people who really ride it act just like they are complaining about.

Also strict diets require more nutritional knowledge that some seem to be lacking.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They are a small, harmless minority. Isn't that enough? Maybe it's made worse by the fact that they are perceived as non-violent and effeminate, because of their strong opposition to suffering, even when the victims are helpless, like animals. There is no personal risk in bullying them. It's like the hate for environmental activists, trans-women, or liberals in general. I wouldn't know that vegans aggressively proselytize their life-style if people didn't aggressively tell me so; something that they share with "the gays". Of course, people wouldn't mind if they didn't shove it in their faces all the time. Where have I heard that before?

[-] Nelots@lemm.ee 26 points 2 months ago

The vocal minority of gays don't call me a murderer for liking women.

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 months ago

Sure, but maybe they would, if you instead of liking ate their body parts and would pay an industry to kill them for that purpose? We can only speculate.

[-] Nelots@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

Yes, I'm quite aware vegans have a reason to be upset. Unfortunately, equating eating meat or drinking milk to personally murderering and torturing animals is not going to earn them any fans, and will in fact push people away from their just cause out of spite.

That's not at all relevant to the comment I was responding to, though.

[-] Landsharkgun@midwest.social 7 points 2 months ago

I mean, you are paying someone else to do those things for you. Or if you want to quibble over verbs, paying someone else to cause harm to animals for you.

If it’s not currently possible for you to eat a less harmful diet, that's one thing. There's a ton of ways that our lifestyles can cause harm, and it's perfectly fine if you're just not in a good place to change one particular aspect of it. Refusing to acknowledge the harm that you are causing is frankly much more concerning. From understanding comes action, after all.

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[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Believing that animals are just like us s hardly and outlandish belief, on the facts. We're evolutionarily closely related. We have basically the same skeleton. Skull, spine, rib cage, hips, 4 extremities. Arms and legs go: 1 big bone, 2 smaller bones, and lotsa little bones. It looks to be the same with the brain.

We expect vegans not to blow up slaughterhouses or such. Fair enough. But expecting them to shut up about their beliefs is a bit much, no? Expecting them not to tell people how they feel, not to kiss in public, or hold a pride para... Sorry, wrong prosecuted minority.

I've heard these takes about vegans for literal decades now, and not once has an actual vegan popped up to tell me that I'm a murderer.

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[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Well, it's what they believe. What exactly is the problem there? I have never been called a murderer. There just aren't that many vegans around. I don't know in what kind of circles this would be a common occurrence.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, it’s what they believe

I'm sorry but this is a dogshit justification in nearly every situation

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[-] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 11 points 2 months ago

Animals massively outnumber us. It's not our fault they are cowards and can't organize a rebellion properly.

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 57 points 2 months ago

It's because the cat food thing is such a stupid hill to die on. Like if you wanted to engineer a viral marketing campaign to make vegans look dumb, you could not have done a better job.

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[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago

Iirc all the recent hate is focused on vegans who think obligate carnivores can be turned vegan.

Don't abuse your pets or just maybe don't have pets at all.

[-] Landsharkgun@midwest.social 17 points 2 months ago

Everyone who keeps posting this ignores that there has been vegan cat food for years, supplemented with necessary vitamins etc and backed up with scientific research. They didn't make it up out of thin air as you seem to be implying. Sceptism or disagreement is fine. Painting the other side as lunatics is not.

[-] echolalia@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Pssh everyone knows the only correct diet for a cat is their natural one: giant ocean predators (salmon and tuna) and corn-fed livestock. All mixed up with preservatives and taurine and ash, just like their mawmaw cats used to make!

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[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Obligate Carnivore is a great band name.

[-] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

I remember when this was just a joke on Futurama. Why does life imitate art in the dumbest way possible‽

[-] Floey@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

What vegan thinks you can turn a cat vegan? That's like thinking you can turn a cat hegelian or something.

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 49 points 2 months ago

Sounds like something a vegan would say 🤔

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

Isn't it funny how meatheads act like they pretend vegans act all the time?

Sounds like something a meathead would say 🤔

[-] didnt1able@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Ha , gottem

[-] Fleur_@lemm.ee 36 points 2 months ago

I remember the days when the fediverse was such a cool and interesting idea only to watch it become a "woaw vegans dumb amirite" circlejerk

[-] Flipper@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago

On my instance a guy opened a community where he posted cooking recipes he liked. There was a vegan that complained that they contained meat. The vegan got a lot of deserved flak for that. Even from other vegans.

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guys I’m new to Lemmy and all I see are references to some began shit and beans. What the fuck was happening?

[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

Vegans really like beans and Lemmy also really likes beans. But not in a began way so they started fighting. There were some riots and a lot of beans were murdered. It was sad.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

We disagree on why beans are great

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Cheap hearty food. Beans are wonderful. Affordable. Shelf stable. Full of protein. And tasty.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Some vegans got into a fight over cat food. Whether or not you agree that cats can be fed with vegan alternatives, it's still just cat food.

[-] auzy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

A bunch of vegans said they feed their pets only vegan food, whilst they are carnivores. Mod stopped the conv to prevent animal abuse.

Some Vegans got angry.

I agree with mods, last thing we need here are echo chambers for dangerous information

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

The beanposting is unrelated to the vegan drama, Lemmy just really likes beans. It was one of our first home-grown memes

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[-] Rakonat@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Stop insisting people have the right to torture animals.

Edit: Seems lemmy is worse at context than reddit ever was.

Feeding cats and other obligate carnivores a vegan diet is torture the same way feeding humans a sawdust only diet would be.

[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago
[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Defends vegans. Immediately gets shit on by militant vegans.

That's why people shit on them so much by the way. They're incapable of simply not.

[-] Zozano@lemy.lol 10 points 2 months ago

Meanwhile, the silent majority of vegans:

[-] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

man IDK, i know a lot of vegans and none of them are silent about it. they're all deeply passionate people and that's not necessarily bad, but they're definitely not quiet.

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I thought they were leaving and going to one of the tankie instances now that their banning of anyone who questions their misinformation to preserve the pure thought of their echo bunker has been exposed.

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