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submitted 2 months ago by Psyhackological@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Let's say just like for example like MacOS. It's awesome we have so many tools but at the same time lack of some kind of standardization can seem like nothing works and you get overwhelmed. I'm asking for people that want to support Linux or not so tech-savy people.

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[-] Eistee@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

An easy way to import/export Flatpaks would be really convenient. On Windows, I can easily move around software using a usb drive to a computer that may not be connected to the internet. I'd have no clue how to do that on Linux aside from AppImages

But due to fragmentation etc. I'd guess that such portable flatpaks would be huge, as they'd need to carry all dependencies in case the other end is missing some

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[-] jlow@beehaw.org 7 points 2 months ago

MacOS being a bad example here since Apple only needs to make its OS work on a very small set of hardware that they control wheras Linux (and Windows, yes) need to work on probably hundreds of thousand if not millions of devices (including Macs 👌) with at least the same amount of peripherals combined in almost any imaginable way. That's a completely different task.

[-] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Linux actually needs to just work first

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

ChromeOS does this well because it's android, a walled garden that users aren't allowed to break. You can buy it at Walmart, and it works well.

Other big "consumer" distro projects (Debian, Ubuntu, fedora, rhel, etc) are similar, especially if you're installing stable releases on hardware that is supported.

The question for me is what do users want their OS to do? My guess is internet, office, print, scan, photos, games, updates, and get out of the way. Almost all big distros will give you that experience already, as long as you don't expect to play Windows games or pick a specialized gaming distro.

Users who want to step outside using supported repos are back to googling for a solution when things are broken, and should see themselves as part of the tech-savvy group that need to fend for themselves.

[-] Psyhackological@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

So reading all of your responses

  • Tested and preinstalled hardware
  • One resource to solve the issue not many
  • Customizablity when needed
  • Easy rollback when something breaks
  • Changing people mindset that Linux isn't for desktops

Does anyone have more?

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Mac OS is not a "just works" experience. It is heavily tied to icloud and Apple services and everything is janky.

Maybe if Mac OS matured a bit I would consider using it but for now it is in a broken unusable state.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 6 points 2 months ago

If you appreciate autonomy, avoid MacOS. Their whole business model is to suck you into their technological ecosystem. The fact that their stuff works in any way outside of their expensive, walled garden is unintentional.

[-] olympicyes@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I was going to refute your comment but to be honest I use it largely because of those features. I’ve used MacOS for over 30 years and recently bought an AMD workstation for development work when my MacBook didn’t cut it anymore. It would be a good experiment to try an all local MacOS experience to see how it stacks up and I think it would probably be ok. You can install a lot of desktop apps using Brew to keep your system up to date. The main advantage that Mac has over Linux is that a lot of corporate software is available that otherwise can only be obtained on Windows. When I realized that windows in a VM on Linux wasn’t for me I more or less converted my Linux machine to a server for most use cases.

[-] monobot@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

It is very hard, time consuming and boring to iron out those finishing issues in any software product. You need team of people being paid for that.

When doing it for fun, I just go until it works and until it is fun. As soon as I come to those last 20% I never touch it anymore.

So ai doubt it will happen until more companies start paying decelopera to do it. But I don't see the business model in that, so I doubt it will get better fast.

[-] untorquer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

After getting used to KDE I still need to use windows for work. People think big companies iron out all the bugs but they really don't. We're just so used to our default OS that we don't notice the bugs we deal with every single session.

Windows has tons of buggy base functionality but users just work around it. KDE's base functionality is actually quite solid by comparison. You only run into issues with more technical compositor stuff that an average user would probably not interact with.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

lack of some kind of standardization

Standardization = monopoly risks. It's not worth it in the first place.

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[-] flork@lemy.lol 4 points 2 months ago

Fedora Kinote just works.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

More appealing? Linux runs basically all server infrastructure where even Microsoft bent the knee for Azure & Windows Subsystem for Linux. If we are talking about Desktop Linux, it will remain popular with those building software for easier/better dev tooling & wanting to better understand the systems their production code is run on. As software becomes more intergral to our lives & knowing how to write/debug it rises, folks will slowly keep trickling in as the have for decades where more & more software is treating Linux (& the web, & since BSDs, et al. are running similar software such as GTK they are also included) as a primary target. The other desktop OSs continue to shoot themselves in the foot injecting ads into the OS or denying system-level access to the machine you own.

A would say a better focus is mobile Linux… as casual users have migrated away from desktop OSs, where Android & iOS’s walls are holding them captive.

[-] Sina@beehaw.org 4 points 2 months ago

Immutable distros like Silverblue or Bazzite are the only path I see that can work for normies. However flatpak itself has to mature more, theming anomalies need to be dealt with somehow for example.

Mint is only good to ease a technically inclined person into the linux world.

[-] rsolva@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Fedora has been "just working" for me for the last couple of years. It is my go to for older relatives for that very reason.

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