The relationship between Christianity and politics in Sweden is quite different than the one in the Anglosphere. In Sweden, if you’re a member of the Swedish (Lutheran) church, you pay a small amount of extra tax, which goes to the church, but get to vote in church elections every few years. In the most recent elections, the left (who ran on a platform of using the church’s resources to help the underprivileged) defeated the right (who ran on a platform of culture-war traditionalism) by a hefty margin.
While I agree that the act could be interpreted as an symbol of inequality, I really think personal choice should be the winner here.
It is still the winner. This is just internal church stuff. The couple can choose a different church, a different religion, a non-religious wedding, etc.
If a personalized wedding with details like this are important to the couple, maybe the Swedish Lutheran church isn’t the right flavor of Christianity or religion for them.
While I agree wholeheartedly with the church making internal policies, but bringing an internal conflict into international media, airing a view that seem rather sensationalistic is what I react to. Having an internal discussion, making a decision and then implement a policy would have been the proper way.
So your issue isn't with anything to do with the wedding, but with the Guardian reporting on it?
No, I still believe the freedom of choice is the more important here. A couple should be free to chose a ceremony that they want, which the church can support or not. The church is a separate entity and like a corporation, they can set their own rules for what they allow or support, as long as it is within the legal framework of Sweden.
My second point is that the church could have had an internal discussion about this, but they (or more likely some indiviuals) have opted to make this internal debate into a political question, inflaming the topic to such a degree that even international media covers it.
Oh, banned by the swedish church within it's own facilities, not banned by law in the country. That makes much more sense
“Even though the scene feels nice for future bridal couples, we can’t disregard what it symbolises: a father handing over a minor virgin to her new guardian.”
This seems like a silly thing to get hung up on when the bride isn't a minor (and perhaps not a woman) and can choose who they walk down the aisle with. The article even mentions that some choose to walk with their mother, and likely there are others who walk with other important friends or family members. I've never cared too much about wedding ceremonies, but I know that walking down the aisle can be a really important and symbolic thing for the bride and the person they walk with. Seems like taking that choice away is more restrictive to women than, you know, letting the woman decide for herself.
Nobody's taking that choice away, it's a church policy not a law
Wow, even the Catholic Church is ahead of the game on this one.
I was surprised that they endorse the theory of evolution, too. For such a backwards organization, they can have some unexpected moments of clarity.
There's a subtle difference between backwards and slow. Slow moves forwards, but... slowly. It turns out "giving away the bride" was introduced by protestants, I'm guessing recognizing pagan practice at the time as a result of no longer treating matrimony as a sacrament.
By “backwards”, I had in mind church officials surrounded by gold and priceless artwork while there is still poverty in the world, and various child abuse scandals. Some of them practice the exact opposite of what they preach. That seems backwards to me.
If you mean humanity is filled with hypocrites, then definitely. I'm a hypocrite, too. Not that kind, but the "I want to raise my child to be at least not worse than I am" kind. Yes, the scandals are shameful. That's why they're called scandals, and it's absolutely idiotic that the bishops (the administrative heads of particular churches) repeatedly thought covering things up was the right choice. Administrative ability should be a job requirement. Government transparency is a new thing, though, just in the past couple of generations, and business financial transparency more recently, so I imagine ecclestiastic administrative transparency will get will become an expectation in a few more. Give it 100 years or so, at least. Like I said: Slow.
As for the priceless artwork, would you rather the grubby little hands of the public and researchers have access to it, or keep it in a private collection? I suppose both have their pro's and con's.
They're not that anti science anymore. Just anti equality. Not that that makes them ok.
Conservatives will surely have a totally normal reaction to this (and looks like they're already doing that here in the comments…)
But yeah, as the article says, this tradition has never really been a thing in the Nordics. While I don't think it makes sense to ban it, it's definitely not "our" tradition
Of all the insignificant, immaterial, inconsequential things to be bitching about.
you'd think but this week when we spun the wheel of the-one-thing-everybody-in-the-world-universally-is-allowed-to-complain-about this was what came up
Women: How dare you treat me differently than men! Also women: Daddy please give me away ( I don’t own myself) 🤷🏼
Didn't occur to you that maybe women aren't a hive mind and the ones saying the first thing might not be the ones saying the second thing?
Did it occur to you that not all men are a hive mind? I was replying to a comment.
Where on earth did I say or even imply anything about men being one way or the other? And what does it have to do with anything that you were "replying to a comment"?
What are you even taking about? Goodbye
Interesting Global News
What is global news?
Something that happened or was uncovered recently anywhere in the world. It doesn't have to have global implications. Just has to be informative in some way.
Post guidelines
Title format
Post title should mirror the news source title.
URL format
Post URL should be the original link to the article (even if paywalled) and archived copies left in the body. It allows avoiding duplicate posts when cross-posting.
[Opinion] prefix
Opinion (op-ed) articles must use [Opinion] prefix before the title.
Rules
1. English only
Title and associated content has to be in English.
2. No social media posts
Avoid all social media posts. Try searching for a source that has a written article or transcription on the subject.
3. Respectful communication
All communication has to be respectful of differing opinions, viewpoints, and experiences.
4. Inclusivity
Everyone is welcome here regardless of age, body size, visible or invisible disability, ethnicity, sex characteristics, gender identity and expression, education, socio-economic status, nationality, personal appearance, race, caste, color, religion, or sexual identity and orientation.
5. Ad hominem attacks
Any kind of personal attacks are expressly forbidden. If you can't argue your position without attacking a person's character, you already lost the argument.
6. Off-topic tangents
Stay on topic. Keep it relevant.
7. Instance rules may apply
If something is not covered by community rules, but are against lemmy.zip instance rules, they will be enforced.
Companion communities
- !legalnews@lemmy.zip - International and local legal news.
- !technology@lemmy.zip - Technology, social media platforms, informational technologies and tech policy.
- !interestingshare@lemmy.zip - Interesting articles, projects, and research that doesn't fit the definition of news.
- !europe@feddit.org - News and information from Europe.
Icon attribution | Banner attribution