sounds feasible except the "blocking the use of vpn apps" part?
Yeah, that line was particularly concerning. I'm all for watching Elon get a Brazilian beatdown, but that feels like a pretty large overstep.
Justice Moraes had also said that any person in Brazil who tried to still use X via common privacy software called a virtual private network, or VPN, could be fined nearly $9,000 a day. But after swift backlash across Brazil, including from academics who have supported him, he reversed that move in an amended order late Friday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/30/world/americas/brazil-elon-musk-x-blocked.html
Good to see someone listening to people more knowledgeable than them.
He went back on that part (in Portuguese):
At best that’s just unclear. Blocking VPNs isn’t impossible, just impractical. And it’s not like Brazil just became China. At worst, the just made accessing X impracticality expensive for its users— which, in Brazil, is a lot of people. In typical Brazilian fashion, they’re hitting Elon in the wallet.
Yeah, this left a bad taste.
At least he revoked this section of the decision a couple hours later.
Spread it to Everybody from Brazil: Leave Xitter, JOIN MASTODON!
How to join Mastodon:
There is some misleading information in there. Probably better to just get straight to the point with the 'standard' https://joinmastodon.org/ link.
I think that site has incorrect information. They wrote "you need to sign up separately on every server on Mastodon to see their community posts" but surely that's the opposite of what the fediverse is about? Mastodon's server page even says that with a single account you can see everything.
How about not using “Social Media” at all? Too out there?
Are you aware that Lemmy is social media too?
Yes and I hate my guts I keep coming back to it
Then it seems like it's too out there
People seem to be going to bluesky, even the president is there
Obrigado
Tchau, Elon
I'm kind of on the fence with this one.
As much as I dislike Twitter/X and it's owner; their 'crime' is refusing to silence the political opponents of those currently in power, then further refusing to pay fines for that decision.... Decisions, at least in principle, I agree with.
That said: I haven't actually seen the content that's at the center of this dispute; the posts of those political opponents. I'm also not very familiar with Brazils politics, so perhaps there's context I'm missing.
musk has no problems with taking down political opponents' xitter accounts when the request is coming from "right wing" governments (rather authoritarian or far-right)
he doesn't care about freedom of speech, he only cares about his kind of speech. If he refused all take down requests, i would agree with you
~~As far as I understand this is a right-wing authoritarian gov silencing left-wing opponent's.~~
~~Am i mistaken?~~
/pre-post edit: Yes, yes I am.
That certainly throws out any bit of sympathy I may of had... Though I still think they made the right decision to refuse to comply.
¯\(-_-)/¯ oh well.
their ‘crime’ is refusing to silence the political opponents of those currently in power
First they came for the christofascists who attempted a coup, and I didn't speak out 😔
If that’s what you think is wrong with Twitter, you might be one of the bad guys
that’s what you think is wrong with Twitter
?
What is 'that' exactly...?
I've said nothing about what's wrong with twitter. I've said I agree with refusing to silence political opposition for those in power, at least in principle. I've also, at least tried, to be pretty clear I'm likely missing some contex; so that may be a bit of a misinterpretation of the situation.
It seems that the strongest justification is that they closed their local branch, and have no legal representation here in Brazil, which is required by law for them to be able to operate.
they closed their local branch
That was due to threats of arrest for not paying these fines, that were issued for refusing to silence critics.
I was trying to skip past all those middle steps and get to the root of the issue. What started it all.
Gotta love the lemmy hive mind being pro censorship just to hate on elon
Censorship isn't the same as consequences.
censorship of what? Twitter, now X?
when i was on twitter, before elon took it over, i remember reporting many openly fascist accounts and they used to regularly go down (to reappear under a different name with some new numbers attached). Hate speech, racist slurs, calls to violence… verbal scum. You call taking that shit down "censorship"?
Justice Alexandre de Moraes had issued a court order forcing the site formerly known as Twitter to block several users as part of his investigation into the former president Jair Bolsonaro’s attempts to stay in power after his 2022 election defeat.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/08/elon-musk-brazil-x-jair-bolsonaro
it looks like they're trying to protect their democracy? Shutting down a coup and it's enablers (sounds familiar?) isn't censorship.
It is when you're on team coup...
Elon, free speech advocate, this you?
This has less to do with Elon and more to do with twitter itself. Why were other platforms created in the first place like Lemmy? Could it be to decentralize these platforms so that no one entity can control them, including the government? This whole shit show with Brazil shows us exactly why these platforms should exist. The oppression of the people need to stop.
Instead of complaining about others and offering no contributions to this platform, I'd love to hear your take on this and start an open discussion. It seems like you have something on your mind, so why not speak it?
Wait, there are 20,000 ISPs!?
idk where that number came from, but there's a survey from 2022 listing 11,630 providers. That would average 2.08 per municipality and makes sense imo. The larger-scale telecom infrastructure is still an oligopoly though.
I'm guessing they mean regional subsidiaries, Brazil is big, but not that big.
Good
So if you’re are Brazilian nazi, go get a Windows phone
Late on Friday afternoon, Justice Alexandre de Moraes – who has been engaged in a dispute with X’s owner, Elon Musk, since April
A Justice isn’t in a dispute with anyone, Guardian. A Justice rules based on law. In the case of Brazil, the Justice system is based on Roman law, as opposed to Common law that is in effect in UK and USA. That means a judge has even less power, as they are tied to existing legislation and can’t rule unless there’s a specific codified law that allows them to rule in that way for that crime or misdemeanor.
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
