Daily reminder to defederate from and block threads.net (and optionally all instances that do not do the same).
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You can read the human rights abuses that meta is facilitating above.
So... Instances like lemmy.world, that this is posted to?
yes, I'm federated with them as well, but shit like this is why I dislike them being so big. In the end all the smaller instances can either have strong morals and integrity, or have access to the largest amount of content in the fediverse, but not both.
Ehh mastodon and lemmy don't see a ton of cross talk. Threads is mainly going to affect mastodon instances.
Defedding from threads always seems strange to me. Everyone says it's to protect your data from meta. But they can already get your data. Everything on the fediverse is public. They already have your data.
It’s not about the data, but the community. Just like how Google killed IRC, big techs are always trying to embrace, extend and extinguish the services.
@Dirk @MrScottyTay Also I think that one should ask the question, what Meta could do with the data and what it is doing with the data of their users. For their users they use the usage data to present them a feed that the users appreciate. Also they use it to place ads inside of their apps. Also they use the data to serve you ads outside of their system on ad networks that use data from Meta.
All of this is technically not possible for Fediverse users.
A is defederated from Threads, but federates with B. And B federates with Threads. Now Meta can cash out on your data via B.
Now Meta can cash out on your data via
B.
Everything we're posting is public, anyone can cash in on it regardless of who you defederate.
Everyone can break into my house regardless of having a key or not. I still don't have my key delivered to them.
Everyone can break into the park you visit and talk to people at
I don't think that's how it works and it would likely not be legal. By explicitly blocking Threads, you make a big statement about not wanting your instance's posts to show up there. Also from a technical standpoint, I don't think a "middle-man" instance will push posts from another instance to a third one. You'd have to explicitly scrape data that's not available via the API. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The fediverse is too new and niche to say that with certainty.
The legality is likely untested and certainly not enforced by pubspec yet.
I don't know enough to speak to the technicalities with certainty, but my surface level understanding is that that is exactly how it works, and it is one of the known flaws of the fediverse as it currently exists.
You might be making a statement, but server B is just a node and, frankly, doesn't care. If you federate with them, you federate with everyone they federate with as well.
It's uncomfortably like an STD in that regard.
Maybe we should do a reverse embrace-extend-extinguish where we open everything up until the point that they start introducing ads to enshittify the platform. Then after that great migration say goodbye to them
They can't place ads in your feeds.
they technically could do this by representing ads with posts.
Why would you subscribe to those? Or are you claiming they would post ads as if they are from a user? In the latter case - the EU would shut them down before they even had time to deploy that.
That’s exactly the point. There are a lot of users on Threads who might be happy with the Fediverse. Threads will undoubtedly need a put in ads in their app/instance, their enshittification is inevitable. If it becomes easy for users to move over to more friendly Fediverse instances, that is a win.
Most platforms (especially reddit, instagram, twitter) moved ads from ad-dedicated spaces, to authentic-seeming posts, that are actually ads.
Who's the artist of the image? I like the art style
Also the scared Lemmy and mastodon :( I feel bad for them
David Revoy.
Oh sick I didn't realize it was his work, nice, thank you!
That same Meta that performs emotional manipulation experiments on its users without informing them or receiving their consent? No, thank you!
It's awesome that Threads federate with Mastodon. I follow several accounts on Threads I otherwise wouldn't be able to, just as I bridge with Bluesky.
Me federating with Threads makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to what they could or could not do with my data.
No. Threads federation should be treated the same way as a wolf joining a "sheep's right to not be eaten" meeting. Deeply unsettling, highly suspicious, and troubling. Facebook does NOT want the fediverse to succeed, and any claim to the contrary is fucking sus.
Other than general assumptions and track-record and being a business that sells user data, is there any actual evidence or clear and present ways that Meta could do harm to the Fediverse / its users?
All I've read is that it seems suspicious and we shouldn't trust them. I totally agree with that but I'd like someone to give some examples of what they could do as a member of the network. I've read how they could post advertising – how would that work?
I ask because, like the previous comment, the idea of following people from other, more popular, federated platforms from the comfort and security of "open source" (?) platforms is appealing. At the same time, if this is leaving me and my platform vulnerable to something specific, I'd like to either proceed with caution or not proceed at all.
The biggest loss for me when leaving Twitter was losing access to so much happening in my community and local news and government organizations. They're all still posting on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and not moving to the open social web. More and more are moving to Threads though so it would be nice to maintain / regain exposure.
The basic idea is that a huge company with infinite money creates software that supports an open standard, such as Threads. Next they spend significant amounts of money driving users to their software, rather than an open software equivalent. Once they've captured a huge percent of all users of the open standard, they abandon the open standard, going with a proprietary one instead. They'll make up some new feature to justify this and sell it as a positive. Because they control almost all of the users at this point, many of the users they don't control will decide to switch over to their software, otherwise the value of the open standard drops significantly overnight for them. What's left is a "dead" open standard that still technically exists but is no longer used. You can find plenty of past examples of this pattern, such as Google and XMPP.
Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Why go through all that trouble when they’ve already accomplished the end goal you’ve outlined?
To kill any competition and ensure they retain control over future standards. Money. It's pretty straightforward.
That's your opinion. It's problematic when people conflate their gut feelings for facts.
There's quite a bit more than a gut feeling here. Meta is a malignant cancer and having nothing to do with it while promoting the fediverse is the wisest course of action.
XMPP didn't die, so why would the Fediverse?
Theres no balance when one instance floods the whole network with millions of users. Soon people will mean that "threads" is whole "fediverse" .
ActivityPub is pull, not push. Threads isn't pushing anything into my feeds.
Fuck the Zucc
This won't affect the Fedipact instances like dbzer0, right?
Nope. But world agreed to it and this could hurt the fediverse in the overall since world is the majority
Yeah that's the reason why I moved away from lemmy.world.
Same here. Fucking sell outs
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