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submitted 10 months ago by gomp@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I've been looking around for a scripting language that:

  • has a cli interpreter
  • is a "general purpose" language (yes, awk is touring complete but no way I'm using that except for manipulating text)
  • allows to write in a functional style (ie. it has functions like map, fold, etc and allows to pass functions around as arguments)
  • has a small disk footprint
  • has decent documentation (doesn't need to be great: I can figure out most things, but I don't want to have to look at the interpter source code to do so)
  • has a simple/straightforward setup (ideally, it should be a single executable that I can just copy to a remote system, use to run a script and then delete)

Do you know of something that would fit the bill?


Here's a use case (the one I run into today, but this is a recurring thing for me).

For my homelab I need (well, want) to generate a luhn mod n check digit (it's for my provisioning scripts to generate synchting device ids from their certificates).

I couldn't find ready-made utilities for this and I might actually need might a variation of the "official" algorithm (IIUC syncthing had a bug in their initial implementation and decided to run with it).

I don't have python (or even bash) available in all my systems, and so my goto language for script is usually sh (yes, posix sh), which in all honestly is quite frustrating for manipulating data.

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[-] Frederic@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago

Quickly came to write "AWK!!!!!!!!!" but yeah... you don't want its superiority... 😜

[-] Findmysec@infosec.pub 3 points 10 months ago

Perl would be my candidate for more advanced text handling than what sh can do.

Never used Lua but I think it's fun.

If nothing else works, just learn C/Rust. There's plenty of that on Linux systems, I think you'll be able to manage. Yes, it doesn't meet a lot of your requirements.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago

Why not give (Common)LISP a try?

[-] Samueru@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

posix sh + awk for manipulating data?

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Bro seriously just slap pyenv + pyenv-virtualenv on your systems and you’re good to go. They’re absolutely trivial to install. Iirc the latter is not a thing in windows, but if you’re stuck on windows for some reason and doing any serious scripting, you should be using WSL anyways.

[-] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It is possible to wrap something like python into a single file, which is extracted (using standard shell tools) into a tmpdir at runtime.

You might also consider languages that can compile to static binaries - something like nim (python like syntax), although you could also make use of nimscript. Imagine nimscript as your own extensible interpreter.

Similarly, golang has some extensible scripting languages like https://github.com/traefik/yaegi - go has the advantage of easy cross compiling if you need to support different machine architectures.

[-] paardendrummer@todon.eu 2 points 10 months ago
[-] gomp@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

I fear I am not enough reverse (or Polish, for that matter) :)

Anyway, I have great esteem for you (if you actually use forth and are not just trolling)

[-] paardendrummer@todon.eu 1 points 10 months ago

@gomp Well no I know someone who does forth, not me really. Perhaps forth is just too low-level for anything except hardware drivers and so.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

You could use Ansible for automation just keep in mind it needs python.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

perl might be on all your systems. It’s kind-of a legacy, but still actively developed. It’s not a great language: it looks like bash scripting on steroids. But if you just need to write some small scripts with a language more powerful than awk or bash, it does the job. If perl isn’t on all of your systems already, then I would choose a better scripting language.

[-] Findmysec@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago

TBH I don't even use awk that much, even that is plenty powerful for my needs. Perl absolutely blows my mind with how needlessly complex I can make stuff with it

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago

Everyone always dunkin' on Perl, but I can't even tell you how often it's been the best tool for the job. Like, at least 3

[-] wyrmroot@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

My go to for most of what you mention is Go, but that’s obviously a compiled language and not for scripting. Or is it - What do you think about https://github.com/traefik/yaegi, which provides an interpreter and REPL for Go? It would let you use a performant and well documented language in a more portable scripting way, but not preclude you from generating statically linked binaries if and when that’s convenient.

[-] als 1 points 10 months ago

vlang might fit your request pretty nicely. It's a bit patchy in places but mainly stable and gets pretty frequent updates

[-] Aquila@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Not sure how big node footprint is but would fit the bill. Would only recommend if you wanna go into web dev career in the future tho 🙃

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