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I love systemd (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[-] bloopernova@programming.dev 39 points 2 years ago

It works great for me. I've been using Linux since late 1996, and one constant has been that the kernel and its surrounding software is always evolving.

People with legitimate use cases against systemd shouldn't use it. People who don't want to use it should use distributions that don't include it. But systemd doesn't need to "die", open source is about freedom of choice. People who zealously hate systemd need to chill out.

[-] kbity@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The biggest problem people have with systemd is that it's constantly growing, taking on more functions and becoming a dependency of more software (for example, the Snap packaging system basically requires it). People joke that some day you won't be using Linux anymore, but GNU/systemd, (or as they've taken to calling it, GNU plus systemd) because it's ever-growing from a simple init daemon into a significant percentage of an entire operating system. People worry that some day, you won't be able to run a Linux system that's compatible with much of the software developed for Linux without using systemd.

Whether that's a realistic worry or not I don't know, and I don't really have a horse in the systemd VS not-systemd race (I'm using a systemd-based distro but that wasn't a factor in my decision), but I can appreciate being worried that systemd might end up becoming a hard requirement for a Linux system in a way that nothing else really is - you can substitute GNOME for KDE, X11 for Wayland (or Mir, I guess), PulseAudio for PipeWire and most stuff will still work, so the idea that systemd could become as non-negotiable an element of a Linux system as the Linux kernel itself rubs people the wrong way, as it functionally makes Linux with systemd a different target platform entirely to Linux with another init daemon.

[-] Girtablulu@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

But that's not an issue from systemd but by the software devs, which are saying they only support systemd

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 years ago

pretty much everyone is saying pipewire is the future, because it does the job really well.

A lot of people say wayland is the future because it does the job better.

I don't get the resistance to systemd. It does the job well, and it does it better than most old systems. It does a lot of things, but it's because those are things that need to be done.

There will always be complainers about everything

[-] takeda@szmer.info 29 points 2 years ago

Honestly, systemd isn't bad, because a one concrete program will always be more reliable than bunch of bash scripts tied with rubber bands and bubble gum, but Poettering is a twat by making it (purposefully) non portable.

[-] pressanykeynow@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 2 years ago

It's opensource, you can port it.

[-] takeda@szmer.info 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The point is that he explicitly makes this hard. That's why he is a twat. The issue is that some applications (especially graphical) do get heavily integrated with it which makes it also hard to port them.

[-] alphapuggle@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago

Not exactly an advanced Linux user but what's the hate with systems?

[-] MajorSauce@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

IIRC, it goes against the OG Gnu/Linux philosophy of having multiple small tools that interconnect well together. Systemd is seen as monolithic and cumbersome by some/most(?).

If someone is more connected to this debate feel free to correct me!

[-] Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

That's pretty much it. Systemd goes against the philosophy of "do one thing, and do it well" by doing a whole lot of things and being integrated to an extent that makes it pretty much impossible to use only an arbitrary subset of its components while replacing the rest with alternatives. I understand where the critics are coming from, but I honestly don't care either way.

[-] lain 8 points 2 years ago

SystemD is an init system (it initializes the userspace) and takes care of managing services. Its quite an important piece of software. There are many reasons linux elitists hate it . I honestly don't care about it as long as it successfully boots my system which it does. In fact I like the syntax for systemctl...

Obligatory I use Arch btw!

[-] QuazarOmega@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

*Eh ehm*, akshually it's systemd/Arch

[-] lain 5 points 2 years ago

Ackhually it's refind/Arch/linux-zen/systemd/gdm/mutter-wayland/gnome-shell

[-] grummle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago

Couldn’t leave you hanging…..

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Honestly I actually like systemd, it seems to make more sense than those old initscripts to me.

[-] ipha@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I love systemd. Anyone who has tried to write initscripts or manage dependencies will agree with me.

[-] vmj@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago

Bzzz

[-] DeeBeeDouble@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

You help where you can

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