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Ukraine is committed to peace but not at the expense of giving up its territory, President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a sit down with representatives of the Indian media that was published on Aug. 25.

Zelensky spoke with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi of the need for Russia's war to end during the latter's historic visit to Kyiv on Aug. 23.

"When you say 'diplomacy', I'm all for it, but I'd like to see concrete steps that are not at the expense of 30% of our state and not at the expense of our population. If there is such a plan, we're all for it," Zelensky said.

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[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 152 points 1 month ago

Robber beats you up, knocks you down, and takes your wallet.

"Hey, that's my money?"

"Tell you what, I'll just take 30% and call it peace."

"Okay...just don't do it again, right?"

Robber runs away laughing.

[-] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 119 points 1 month ago

Don’t forget he killed your grandparents and raped your kids.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago

But he says he won't do it again.

[-] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

Just like he said last time.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

...Or he doesn't.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

or a more direct analogy, appeasing the nazis and fascists before WWII.

[-] illi@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

I mean... they took Krym, West did nothing. So clearly they tried again on a grander scale.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

yes that is exactly my point.

[-] Shard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Peace for our time /s

[-] exu@feditown.com 13 points 1 month ago

More like you have a house and family and one day your neighbour, who has occupied the balcony for the last few years, breaks into your house and occupies some rooms, takes one of your children and makes you remove all doors and locks so he can come and go as he pleases into your remaining rooms.

[-] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Robber runs away laughing

More like: Robber pick pockets you again tomorrow.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

30% + underlying mineral rights and coastal access.

[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

I would like to know what Modi said exactly to elicit such response. I know the guy is not of my liking already, but lately I am interested in knowing whether he is just playing as a relay for Putin or rather distancing himself from him.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 month ago

Modi is going to do whatever it takes to keep super cheap under-market-rate Russian oil and minerals flowing to his rapidly growing economy. He's just as anti-democracy as Putin and couldn't give a fuck what happens to Ukraine otherwise.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There was a post about this in !worldnews@lemmy.ml the other day.

https://lemmy.world/comment/11950407

“We were not neutral from day one, we have taken a side, and we stand firmly for peace,” Modi said. Modi is paying the first visit to Ukraine by an Indian prime minister. As he pushed for a way forward on ending the Ukraine war, Modi urged Zelensky to sit down for talks with Russia and offered to act as a “friend” to help bring peace. “No problem can be resolved on a battlefield,” Modi said in Poland on Wednesday before heading to Ukraine.

At best, Modi is equivocating on taking a side while calling for "peace". At worst, he's using "peace" as a cudgel to pressure Ukraine into ceding the territory to Russia.

Incidentally I was banned for my comments in that post. All I said was basically that Ukraine has a right to defend itself, and one of their communist mods @OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml called that "pro war", removed my posts and banned me (modlog).

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

lemmy.ml

Well there's your problem.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago

yeah just block worldnews on the ml instance, they did you a favor by banning you. They're very transparently operating as a tankie Russian propaganda arm and you're wasting your time even interacting with them.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Mods on Lemmy.ml are fragile eggshells allergic to facts. It's really best to avoid the entire instance.

[-] Five@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The irony saying that while the World mods are actively censoring criticism.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It appears that you are unbanned and were able to remain unbanned while disagreeing with the mods, that's pretty different. What's your objection, you and them disagree on what is spamming or not?

[-] Five@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm quite certain if I ignored the warning, I would earn a ban. The difference isn't between the World and ML mods, it's between me trying to play nice with their inconsistent bullshit rules, and the people getting banned from ML not respecting the predictable bullshit rules of that instance.

It's obviously more than a disagreement about how to define 'spamming.' The MBFC bot is now the most downvoted account in Lemmy history, and it is now more unpopular than the most popular Lemmy account is popular. It appears in every !news, !world, and !politics thread where it is experienced as spam by the vast majority of users.

But the harm it does is greater than merely taking up pagespace. It distorts the discussion in favor of MBFC's author's right-wing views, and gives the World mods the pretense of neutrality when removing left-wing voices from their communities. The MBFC has been widely discredited. For example, Wikipedia's Reliable Sources Noticeboard rates sources as generally reliable (green), no consensus (yellow), mostly unreliable (red).

Giving this joke of a resource an institutional place in the flagship communities of the Lemmy's largest instance are an embarrassment to the entire Threadiverse project. Due to WP's policy of neutrality, it's even more damning when you look under the hood and read the specific criticisms that lead its policy of not linking MBFC in its pages. I am being threatened by the mods for reposting excepts from those criticisms in reply to the MBFC bot spam.

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it's not like Modi benefits from any, relatively recent, past history of violence, used to resolve a problem with another country that invaded them, and took their territory. I can't help but think I am forgetting about something though.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

Modi is in the weird place of being an elected authoritarian, and so he uses that one foot in both worlds-ness to try and be the diplomatic pivot between those spheres.

The problem, is that Modi is a terrible diplomat, and people come to India not because of his talents, but because India is a sleeping economic giant that could pop off at any instant depending on how their government and society shakes out. Keep in mind that India is still a very much under construction country. India being a collection of colonies and princedoms us still in living memory, and even if it wasn't, America almost a quarter of a millenia old and even then it is an under construction state and society.

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[-] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

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[-] Five@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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