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submitted 3 months ago by lemmee_in@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world

Let's put it this way; when Microsoft announced its plans to start adding features to Windows 10 once again, despite the operating system's inevitable demise in October 2025, everyone expected slightly different things to see ported over from Windows 11. Sadly, the latest addition to Windows 10 is one of the most annoying changes coming from Windows 11's Start menu.

Earlier this year, Microsoft introduced a so-called "Account Manager" for Windows 11 that appears on the screen when you click your profile picture on the Start menu. Instead of just showing you buttons for logging out, locking your device or switching profiles, it displays Microsoft 365 ads. All the actually useful buttons are now hidden behind a three-dot submenu (apparently, my 43-inch display does not have enough space to accommodate them). Now, the "Account Manager" is coming to Windows 10 users.

The change was spotted in the latest Windows 10 preview builds from the Beta and Release Preview Channels. It works in the same way as Windows 11, and it is disabled by default for now because the submenu with sign-out and lock buttons does not work.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Seriously though, in W11 it's super easy to disable this shit.

Start Menu:
Personalization > Start > “Show recommendations for tips, app promotions, and more.” (OFF)

Lock Screen:
Personalization > Lock Screen > Change from "Weather 'and more'" to "None".

Search:
Settings  > Search  > Permissions & History > Turn it ALL off. Cloud, Work/School, etc.

[-] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 249 points 3 months ago

Microsoft believes if they worsen the enshitification of Windows 10, more people will just upgrade to 11 quicker.

I decided to move to Linux and my other family went with Macbooks.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 60 points 3 months ago

Sadly, I'm at a Microsoft office and do not have this option for my work machine.

It does look like I'll be forced into Linux on my personal machine before too long, though.

[-] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 56 points 3 months ago

Not much to be done with a work machine, but for personal use, I believe the more people moving away from Windows the better.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 19 points 3 months ago

Lucky for me I only use my windows work laptop to remote into Linux.

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[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 200 points 3 months ago

Buy an expensive license

Install the software on hardware you own

Company puts ads on it that weren't there when you bought the license

2024 is wild. Run Linux.

[-] uriel238 70 points 3 months ago

It's kinda like AAA game companies waiting for a couple of weeks after a title's release (and all the reviews are done) before rolling out the micro-transaction market (and the corresponding game-balance adjustments).

Funny how when Windows XP had dial-in activation we warned that this would drift over to games if we tolerated it, and then it did.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 3 months ago

100%. Every time consumers tolerate something, it will get worse. On the other hand, it seems so simple to tell people "just don't buy a product that does X", but in practice, it's almost impossible to get people to stop giving these companies money.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

but in practice, it’s almost impossible to get people to stop giving these companies money.

This is why consumer-protection regulations are necessary.

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[-] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago

I jumped ship to PopOS a few months back.

There are some issues, like Bluetooth not starting without some terminal commands, I think I have to wipe or otherwise mess around with my 1TB NTFS storage drive to mount it and stuff like that.

But all the games I've tried to play work fine.

CPU: 3700x GPU: 4090

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 109 points 3 months ago
[-] breakingcups@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Sam Reich? Did you get a haircut?

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 96 points 3 months ago

IS THE ENTIRE FUCKING ECONOMY BASED ON ADS???? WHO THE FUCK IS PAYING FOR ALL THESE SHITTY ADS??? WHO EVER YOU ARE, GET FUCKED WITH YOUR PRODUCT!

[-] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 76 points 3 months ago
[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 64 points 3 months ago

Yeah yeah, Linux is our saviour.

I call bullshit. Charge Microsoft criminally. Sue them into the ground! We will never get enough people to truly harm them just by leaving, so we need to FUCKING DESTROY ANY COMPANY THAT PULLS THIS BULLSHIT!

[-] True@lemy.lol 36 points 3 months ago

Sue them for what exactly?

[-] camr_on@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago

Because I hate them. It should be a criminal offense to be on my bad side

[-] Skymt@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Sue first, ask questions later!

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[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 57 points 3 months ago

ShutUp10 for the win.

(Linux for the real win).

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 46 points 3 months ago

ShutUp10 is the equivalent of being in an abusive relationship and telling yourself "it'll be okay if I just don't upset them and stay out of their way". You know it'll happen again. You're just in denial and kicking the ball down the road a bit until they do it again. Use it to buy yourself time to make a plan to get out of the relationship. The sooner you leave, the better off you'll be.

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[-] heavy@sh.itjust.works 52 points 3 months ago

The fact that people pay hundreds of dollars for this OS to get advertised to is insulting. Same energy as these smart TVs that feel like they have the right to show you ads.

If I'm dictator, I'm making this shit illegal, full stop.

[-] accideath@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago

If they can’t bring the people to Win 11, they bring Win 11 to the people instead?

Just install Linux, it’s not that hard. Or at least get a Mac or a Chromebook…

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[-] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 40 points 3 months ago

Windows 10 will be my last Windows operating system. It’s been fine and it works well enough. I’ve already started setting up a drive with Linux Mint 22 for use moving forward.

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[-] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 months ago

I just recently installed the windows 11 LTSC IOT enterprise edition, it contains no ads and is meant for corporate use. I got it off of the massgravel Dev site. The only thing pre-installed is the edge browser. Boots way faster and my games are right there. I have it dual-boot alongside Ubuntu. I recommend it if you have to use windows for some programs.

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[-] sunglocto@lemmy.zip 28 points 2 months ago

Earlier this year, Microsoft introduced a so-called "Account Manager" for Windows 11 that appears on the screen when you click your profile picture on the Start menu. Instead of just showing you buttons for logging out, locking your device or switching profiles, it displays Microsoft 365 ads. All the actually useful buttons are now hidden behind a three-dot submenu.

How the fuck are people OK with this?!

[-] dlok@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

What are you gonna do about it? Install Linux?

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[-] penfore@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

They're doing a good job getting people to move to Linux or MacOS

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 months ago

Well, I was gonna run win10 until its service life ends next year. I guess MS want to speed up the timeline a little.

Arch here I come.

[-] DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago

Join the free side. We have penguins.

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago

Dang I thought Windows 10 would be safe from this for some reason. Silly me.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

no security updates, only ads

[-] spirinolas@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

I'm in the EU and use Windows 10 LTSC so I mostly clear off of this bulshit. A few months ago I bought a cheap refurbished laptop to use occasionally and decided from day 1 it would be Linux Mint only since I only use it for the basics.

A few months later and I'm surprised how far Mint came. It's so easy to use. Customizing it was a bit harder but nothing major. And to my surprise...even games. I threw a couple of games at it and everything the computer can handle would run. I was from the time where gaming on Linux was a no-no.

When LTSC support goes, I'll most likely go full Linux. The only problem is the Adobe software but maybe I can fix that with a virtual machine.

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[-] uriel238 24 points 3 months ago

Funny. Not long after all the spyware was inserted into Win 10, they imported it into Win 7, and we got a general notice to not install those updates (or uninstall them).

Yeah, Microsoft was always a shit.

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[-] Wiz@midwest.social 18 points 3 months ago

What's keeping me running Microsoft? A collection of Steam games that I love. Do they work on Linux now?

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

My entire Steam library works on Linux Mint.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

93% of the top 1000 Steam games have a Linux rating of Silver (playable with minor issues) or better.
You can check the rating of your own collection here: https://www.protondb.com/dashboard

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[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 months ago

If they advertise, then the OS needs to be free. I'm not paying for an OS that profits off me too.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

I have to use a windows 11 machine for work, and it genuinely surprises me how terrible it is. I don’t understand the opposition to local accounts - if I’m working somewhere with public WiFi/capture portal, I have to use my phone as a hotspot first.

The PIN log in seems to roll a random number and decide each morning whether it is going to work or not.

I also got a laptop with 11 on it for gaming. So much spyware I’ve had to uninstall, configuring anything is a nightmare. I was trying to adjust my mouse sensitivity/figure out why the scroll wheel is either 0 or to the moon, but even when you dig into the control panel, half the settings are missing.

I also had to turn off my WiFi and google commands to make a local account, because otherwise Microsoft accounts are mandatory.

Every change seems to make the experience actively worse for the user.

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[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 3 months ago
[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 3 months ago

Some advice for anyone who is seriously considering a move away from Windows:

  • Set your expectations appropriately. Linux is not a drop-in replacement for Windows. IMHO, it shouldn't be.
  • Some things that you take for granted are not universal. Much like a new language (especially your second one) even the basics are often different.
  • There is a lot to learn. If you have the patience and humility to be in kindergarten again, you'll probably do fine. If you expect to be a master quickly, you'll probably get frustrated.
  • You don't have to tackle the whole learning curve all at once.
  • A few notable Windows programs won't run on Linux. If you have very rigid and specific software needs, like "Photoshop is the only tool that I can use to make a living", you might consider running those in a virtual machine, or on a second system, or dual-booting. If that's too complicated for you, then you probably shouldn't try to force yourself into Linux. Maybe try again in a few years.
  • There is more than one GUI (desktop environment) for Linux. Some look a bit like Windows. Some look more like MacOS. Others look like something you've never seen before. You can test drive many of them by booting from a USB "live image". In case none of them feels quite right, most can be customized. To get started, just pick one, and know that you're not married to it; you can always switch desktops later, without even reinstalling the OS. Your applications will still run.
  • Investigate hardware before leaping into it. Linux supports a great many devices out of the box, and even more with a bit of configuration. If you have the means, you can buy a system pre-packaged for Linux, including drivers, just as most systems are for Windows. If not, chances are that you can still find or build a system that runs it well. Plan ahead.

 

For reference, there's a lot of diversity among people running Linux, from software developers to secretaries, from children to octogenarians. I imagine it's easier for kids, since they don't have as much to un-learn, but the Grandparents in my family switched to it from Windows and didn't want to go back. If they can do it, I think it's fair to say that many others can, too.

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[-] Bosht@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Learning Linux gets more tempting every day. Either that or government needs to pass laws against shit like this but I doubt that will ever happen.

[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago

Let me give you a tip. Theres nothing to "learn" it's just a different way of clicking on some things. If all your gonna do is use steam and Internet browser just do it. There is nothing magical. Just use popOS or Ubuntu. They're made for ease of use.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Mint is great for beginners IMO

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