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Initially, THC boosted brain metabolism and synaptic protein levels, indicative of heightened cognitive processes. Subsequently, it shifted towards reducing metabolic activities in the body akin to the effects seen with caloric restriction or intensive exercise, known for their anti-aging benefits.

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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 96 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The publication itself, which seems to be legit, and well done.

Haven't had a chance to read all of it, but it isn't badly executed by a quick scan.

Edit: I've had a chance to read it in full.

About half of it is over my head. Just don't have the biochemical background to be able to interpret much of the metabolites they were measuring.

That being said, that stuff isn't actually important for casual interest.

Here's the key points I found:

First, the study was mice only. While mice are excellent for this kind of work, you can't guarantee things will be a 1:1 result in Holland p.

Second, the study was for low dose levels, and only delta-9 thc, with no other cannabinoids being used at all.

Third, the study was relatively short, with 42 days being the longer end.

Fourth, and this is the cool part, changes in the relevant metabolites and brain samples had benefit at the 14 day mark. So, if this does translate to human effects, short term, low dose use of delta-9 may be a valuable option. That's years away before this could be confirmed as valid for humans, but the effects were significant.

All of that means that just smoking weed, you aren't going to duplicate the conditions of the study. If you're taking in enough to get high, you're at a higher dose than the study, and that may cause an opposite effect long term.

This is a very focused experiment, with well defined limits and goals. The information gained can not be used as an indicator that smoking herb as an adult human will give any benefit, much less what is in the title of the article.

Think of this study as step one in maybe ten steps you get to the point where it would be useful for indicating benefits in humans, assuming everything went right along the way.

[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 26 points 1 month ago

I am glad you linked that, because the article and site itself did not inspire confidence

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Why wouldn't you look for the study itself in ANY article like this? It's literally linked 1/3 of the way down the actual article.

[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago

The very opening basically repeating the name of the college twice and the stocks at the top had me immediately back out of the article as it came across as effectively trash. I then looked at the comments here and was surprised there was an actual publication linked

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Part of the reason our world is in the shit it is right now is people like you more focused on appearances than content. And the worst part is you don't even consider it a personal failing.

[-] MrShankles@reddthat.com 5 points 1 month ago

Reading your comments as I scroll: maybe you added some insight; but your delivery is crass. It makes you seem deliberately elitist... and makes me ignore your "angry" comments. You've made the conversation worse by adding to it, without consideration of anything besides your own opinion

And the worst part is you don't even consider it a personal failing.

Isn't that ironic.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

our delivery is crass. I

I don't care?

You’ve made the conversation worse by adding to i

The opposite in fact, I pointed out the intellectually dishonest tactic of the thought terminating cliche and then made reference to the actual study, which apparently all of you who 'read the article' seemed to miss the link to, and are kind of salty that I did not.

g besides your own opinion

5 decades of experience dealing with average people has proven to me that rarely has my opinion been the less functional one. Yes I am arrogant, and I don't really care much about the opinions of others because most people never really bother giving any serious thought to anything they repeat or insist and I'm tired of the time and effort I do take to deepen my understanding of these topics is casually dismissed.

Have you ever sat down and thought about how a dollar flows through the economy from printing to disposal? I have and it took hours across several days, and I'm STILL SURE I missed some aspects of counterfeiting and outsider art but I can bet you a box of donuts that almost no one in this thread has even spent more than 120 minutes in their lives considering it unless it is part of their degree or career. Not even hedge fund managers know the whole picture.

Or how about figuring out the square acreage of space farm you would need to feed and oxygenate a single human? Because I have and it's 17 - 22 acres depending on how many legumes you can stand in your diet for your average human. I don't even think the Muskrat has broken down the circular crop rotation cycle well enough to keep their soil fertile for 3 harvests and he STILL thinks he's going to get to Mars in his lifetime.

That's the other thing that pisses me off, there are a fucktonne of idiots with bad ideas that fail constantly making a hell of a lot more money than the people who predicted those failures and were promptly ignored.

It's like a Cassandra complex but instead of having meaningful prophecy ignored, it's a clear eyed vision of our current present reality that gains the most scorn and vitriol. It kind of makes me hate all of humanity until proven otherwise on an individual basis.

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[-] pbbananaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Maybe I’m misreading the only plot that mentions dosing numbers anywhere. It looks like the largest dosing group is getting 3mg/kg/day. That’s a lot scaled up to a 100kg person (like 10x a normal gummy for example).

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

It was three different doses, 0.3, 1, and 3 mg/kg per day

It was also delivered via subcutaneous pump, which is usually done with a mind towards a gradual dosing rather than a single push of the total amount all at once.

The kind of pump listed in the article previously linked was an osmotic pump.

Here's an excerpt from a different paper describing the various methods for substance delivery:

Osmotic pumps are internally implanted devices that use an osmotic displacement system to infuse a preloaded substance into an animal. Use of these pumps permits constant dosing without the need to handle an animal after the initial implant surgery. Extracellular fluid is absorbed at a constant rate by an osmotic salt layer immediately beneath the permeable outer membrane. As the osmotic layer absorbs fluid, it swells and puts pressure on an impermeable reservoir in the center of the pump. The reservoir then expels the loaded substance from the pump at a constant rate through a flow moderator. The outflow can pass directly into the tissue surrounding the pump, or a cannula can be attached to the pump to direct the flow into a blood vessel or specific tissue.

Osmotic pumps are cylindrical in shape and come in sizes small enough for mice. These devices are surgically implanted either subcutaneously or intraperitoneally. The flow rate is fixed, and the duration of action varies from 3 d to 6 wk, depending on the size of the pump and the delivery rate selected. Pumps cannot be refilled but can be implanted sequentially to prolong dosing.

I'm not up on the dosing levels in humans, So I I don't have the ability to know offhand if 3mg/kg spread over the day is unusually high (pun partially intended) or not. There's a section I can't find easily (I'm actually dyslexic so it takes me a while to get through this kind of dense and complicated writing) where they mentioned having a higher dose as a point of comparison.

[-] pbbananaman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks this is a lot of great detail on the dosing mechanism that I think is really interesting. I love reading up on the experimental details and the actually components used to make these experiments work.

300mg of orally ingested THC spread out over 24 hours is about equivalent to consuming 1 typical candy/gummy every hour for 24 hours of the day. A reasonable or average or normal person would be uncomfortably high at these dosages. I also imagine the bioavailability of oral ingestion is less than the dosing mechanism you described although I’m not sure (is that getting taken up through the lymphatic system? How does it differ from oral ingestion or injection into the bloodstream?).

Fascinating stuff, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

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[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 month ago

Same energy as "wine is good for you!" As it turns out, no. Wine is absolutely poisonous to you.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

But taking 30 minutes out of your day to relax and unwind? That's good for you.

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[-] sinceasdf@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Lmao benzinga the pinnacle of science news

There is a real study it's referencing at least but these fucks are probably just trying to pump weed stocks

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago
[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

It's amazing to me that they misspelled "reaserch" in the first bullet item.

[-] tyrant@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It's turning back to the time before they knew how to spell

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I voted for this because I want it to be true. Yay, science!

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

never really expected so many prohibitionist shitbags on lemmy. Off to the blocklist you and your ilk go!

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

No wonder Cheech, Willie Nelson, and Snoop seem pretty young at heart/mind for their age

[-] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 month ago

Is that why people that smoke every day act like fucking children?

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Reefers 🫧

Eta: lol the downvote is even funnier

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

I'm not convinced. Unless the idiot stoners in my area are so fucking stupid that even when you work some science magic to make them smarter, they are still about as intelligent as a sack of dirt.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago

Maybe it de-aged their brain too far?

[-] workerONE@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

When I was 17 I really turned back the clock. Almost every day we were reversing brain aging and boosting mental capacity.

[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

It would explain the poor memory I get when I smoke. You can't remember something that hasn't happened yet, so it naturally increases your ability to remember more. (Taps forehead...)

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

it's all the training on remembering where the fuckdamn lighter is...

[-] weariedfae@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I wonder if micro dosing can give the same effects? I am a control freak and don't like to be high but worry about cognitive decline. Especially since I got long covid and fucked up my olfactory system. Brain damage sucks.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Most days I microdose by diluting extract in glycerine, roughly 1/4 of a joint paced out thru the day.

Works wonders for my EDS, and I don't feel high at all and have a ton more executive control.

Can't really reply on the cognitive decline but I'm pushing 50 and still in the top .5%

Long Covid did drop me a bit tho, but I guess when you start with a straight eight, losing two cylinders isn't so bad.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It would be better to microdose lithium if you really don't want to be high imo. 5-20mg range, can be intermittent (doses for bipolar are in the 100mg range and up). There's already lithium in some water supplies and in foods like potatoes, so a small amount in a microdose normally doesn't affect anyone negatively.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10227915/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8324565/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10994667/#:~:text=In%20the%20present%20work%2C%20long,aging%20process%20of%20SAMP%2D8.

I will say over time your body will adjust to cannabis so if you microdose at night consistently before bed, you'll just sleep it off anyway and eventually it won't even get you high anymore.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

The actual paper published is about smaller doses.

[-] JoMomma@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

That's why I'm so smrt

[-] Illegalmexicant@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I believe it. A generation of leaded gas people that smoke have good life advice.

[-] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

[-] DrOinFLA@lounge.town 5 points 1 month ago

@karashta
Hell Yes!
Best news I heard all week, and there's been some good stuff.
#MedicalCannabis

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 4 points 1 month ago

Another drug that increases metabolism, protein, etc is cocaine. I have hunch these researchers already know what answer they want and are making crappy arguments to confirm themselves

[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago
[-] Kintarian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Generally any headline that is that is phrased as a question can be answered with "no".

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

This is a decent truism.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That website gave me dementia.

[-] chocosoldier 1 points 1 month ago

as someone who smokes entirely too much weed: no. just no.

[-] binomialchicken 1 points 1 month ago

low-dose THC

Doesn't apply to you (or me)

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

What about other addictive things!!! Sex? Can having sex make me remember where I live? My wife is hot! 🥵

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Nah, that just means it rewires stuff because of the experience.

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