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[-] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 162 points 1 month ago

Thank god, for a second there I thought they meant "cracking down on people dodging Windows 11 by intentionally disabling TPM," like I've been doing. False alarm, carry on.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 160 points 1 month ago

If you're using Windows 11 and not having a great time with it, there are ways to make the experience more pleasant. We've covered 14 tweaks to make Windows 11 better and how to remove Windows 11's junk, which is a good start toward making an OS you enjoy.

There's another way...

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 97 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Imagine having to remove a bunch of shit just so you can use your OS. smh

Luckily, there exists an OS which undermines extreme enshittification. Can't remember the name, though ...

[-] Metalemming@lemm.ee 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago

Sadly, your hardware must support Spirit Boot to install this OS.

[-] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 19 points 1 month ago

Can’t remember the name, though

It goes by many names...

[-] A7thStone@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago
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[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 126 points 1 month ago

So Microsoft wants to force everyone to ditch their perfectly good machines so they can make more money off of selling OEM licenses.

I'm just waiting for Europe to sue their greedy asses for planned obsolescence.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 83 points 1 month ago

“By god we have got to stop people from using Windows!”

Uh. Yes. Do that.

[-] Zier@fedia.io 69 points 1 month ago

And here I am using a modern Linux OS on a 15 year old desktop without any issues or nagging to log into an online account or to backup all my shit to some server, open to hackers, in windows world.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 50 points 1 month ago

No problem, I'm just dodging windows.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

Used market is about to have some bargains on very usable Linux machines.

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[-] thearch@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 month ago

wants people to use windows 11 make it difficult to use windows 11 people find ways to use windows 11 anyway (what you wanted in the first place) punish them for using windows 11

???

[-] TwanHE@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

People that are running a windows modified to disable the hardware eligibility checks are probably also disabling/deleting the telemetry and activation checks.

Microsoft doesn't want you to use windows 11, they want your money and data.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 month ago
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[-] vortexal@sopuli.xyz 44 points 1 month ago

The thing that I don't understand is that, if this is such a big problem for Microsoft, why not just remove the system requirements or at least make an alternative version of Windows 11 that, even if it lacks certain features, doesn't have those requirements?

Microsoft wants people to switch to Windows 11 but a majority stay with Windows 10 because their systems don't have what's required and they're either not willing to use Linux or they can't for what ever their reason is. Making Windows 11 more accessible to Windows 10 users would fix this problem for most users but they're not for some reason. I know they're Microsoft and Microsoft doesn't care about their users but they're seemingly willing to lose a significant portion of their users over something so insignificant, which is out of character for Microsoft.

[-] myliltoehurts@lemm.ee 30 points 1 month ago

I'd guess it's corporate circlejerk - they probably made deals with hardware manufacturers who are annoyed people are not replacing their perfectly functional systems with new ones. Windows gets pre-installed on new systems, and in exchange windows requires new things forcing people to upgrade their old systems - or be locked out of the most popular OS in the world.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

but it seems that the Redmond giant has decided that enough is enough.

But why? People who take the effort have their reasons, find other ways.

Btw, Rufus patches the iso, works anyway.

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[-] cupcakezealot 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

microsoft missed their bottom line so they need more planned obscelance

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[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 month ago

Well, they won't be able to sell as many new computers if they let people keep using their old ones.

[-] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Microsoft still makes money off the OEM licenses AFAIK. The Linux community had a whole day about this back in the 90s.

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[-] hydroxycotton@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

I installed Linux mint on my laptop the other day because of various sustained long term annoyances with Windows. Despite some minor hiccups it only took about 30 minutes. It's been such a great experience so far.

[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

I did the same. Windows 11 ads and one drive forced me out.

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Is secure boot still required? Yes?

Can't force me to do shit Microsoft. Your own OS prevents it :)

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 29 points 1 month ago

You're misunderstanding, they're stopping people like you and me who don't have those.oj their PCs from upgrading via workarounds, not preventing us from a forced upgrade.

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[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 32 points 1 month ago

More people will be redirect to Linux, cool.

[-] moe90@feddit.nl 24 points 1 month ago

Sorry for disappoint you. But, normies don't know what is Linux about? hell even higher than average tech-savvy people know little bit Ubuntu as a Linux.

[-] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

That would be me.

Tried Ubuntu 15 years ago, but couldn't because Nvidia driver issues, and haven't tried again

Look, dudes, I'm bootstrapping a small business while trying to manage ADHD. I can barely get two hours of admin work done in an eight hour day. I just need things to work. I'd love to walk away from Windows but I don't have the mental bandwidth for that shit

And even if I did, my wife and I share a gaming computer/media center. There's nothing like having her call me in the middle of a workday because my VPN is keeping her from logging into PBS so that she can watch Grantchester. Imagine the headaches if I installed a new OS.

Much like improving my physical fitness, I have the desire, but not the will

[-] barryamelton@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago

I just setup an old friend couple new computer with Windows. We lost a full day as the HP printer didn't work (yet worked via Android and my linux laptop without installing absolutely anything), Outlook doesn't save passwords (so we moved to Thunderbird), chrome is a mess (so we moved to Firefox + unlock origin), Microsoft excel is incredibly expensive and refused to open the only spreadsheet they needed (so me moved to libreoffice)...

A fucking nightmare. And everything worked fine with FOSS or on my laptop.

Just stay away from nvidia on Linux and you are golden.

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[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

I'm a sysadmin. We're a Linux shop, I spend my life deep in the guts of Linux boxes, both server and desktop.

And for my daily-driver both at work and at home, I use windows.

The UI and overall UX are just better. The annoying bullshit I make a living knowing my way around, I don't have to think about.

For actual development or backend services, of course you want a Linux box. Proper logging, proper tools, build shit, pipe it together, automate stuff and get down and technical when it breaks. Doing that on windows is absolutely hell.

But on windows, the volume control just works, I never have to delete lockfiles to get my browser to open, my desktop login doesn't terminate if something in .profile returned nonzero, I can play every video game out there without having to fuck around, I can use native versions of real apps, I don't have package-management dependency hell, all the pieces were designed to work with each other, and the baseline cognitive load needed to just use my computer is zero, which frees up my brain to focus on my actual work, or for playing games and fucking around on the internets.

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[-] funchords@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 month ago

Fighting with Windows 11 introduced me to Linux Mint, which works perfectly! I'm not an OS geek, so I really don't care about the OS -- it's just the thing I deal with on the way to Firefox.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 month ago

Every 2nd microsoft OS is bad. Its normal for them. XP good, vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, 10 good, 11 bad.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No. They're all bad, some are just worse than others. You've all just been stockholm syndromed into thinking better of the "less bad" ones.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Uh, no.

95 bad, 98 bad, 98SE good only compared to 98, XP actually decent, Vista only really bad because of the change in how drivers were handled and there not being a robust library of them because of it, 7 THE GOD KING OF WINDOWS OSes..The Best, The Pinnacle. The Peak. The Top of the bell curve, 8 was shit, 10 was more shit than 8, 11 is just spyware.

[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

If you're calling 95 bad i don't think you spent a lot of time in 3.1. Resolving IRQ conflicts, configuring winsock.DLL, whatever the hell else. 95 had its issues, especially on the gaming side, but it was leaps and bounds better than what came before. Meanwhile 98SE was good enough to keep people, especially gamers, on it for a long time.

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[-] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not all that long ago I was told by someone who claimed to be an expert that a 3 year old middle of the road gaming laptop was to old to support win 10 and that's why it was crashing all the time, Linux may not be perfect in every way but Windows is dying a slow, painful, e-waste generating death and Microsoft doesn't seem to care, I'm glad I jumped ship when I did

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I just installed Linux Mint on a 15-year-old desktop that has never been upgraded and was middle-of-the-road when I got it. It shipped with Windows 7, and I tried a couple of times to upgrade to 10 (it failed every time, either losing core hardware functionality, running so slowly as to be unusable, or just refusing to boot altogether). But it runs Linux like a dream. Seriously—it's easily running the latest version of Mint better than it ran an 11-year-old service pack of Windows 7.

What's even crazier is that I installed VirtualBox on it, and put Windows 10 on that, to use some work programs. And that runs Windows 10 a bit slowly, but otherwise more or less flawlessly!

That's right: I'm having a better Windows experience in Linux than I've ever had on baremetal Windows on this box.

I can't believe I didn't do this...well, 15 years ago.

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Article isn’t that great. The change is in beta, and it’s preventing the installer from accepting a switch that declares the OS to be a server product.

MS hasn’t said it’s going after any upgrades that are running out of spec hardware. This really sounds like they are just fixing an upgrade option.

[-] WILSOOON@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago

As far as i know, windows 10 is still more functional, less of a resource hog (in windows terms), far FAR less telemetry and it just looks fucking nicer. It costs nothing to not upgrade, or you pay the tribute and join the linux brotherhood

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

I mean, this was 100% predictable.

And anyone who didnt think it would happen were willfully blind or just plain ignorant.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I'm sorry is this the fucking draft

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[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

This is just Vista all over again. Calm down people. Go to Linux or church if you're scared.

[-] excral@feddit.org 14 points 1 month ago

The difference is, that you could just continue using XP until Win7 was released or continue using Win7 until Win10 was released. Win10 will reach end of life next year and then the only supported Windows will be Windows 11. Vista or Win8 were never as forced as Win11 is now.

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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 16 points 1 month ago

"How dare people install our OS without a DRM clipper chip"

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[-] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

If it's just an installer check then people could just use the old installer versions and update afterward right? Or are they planning on stopping updates for unsupported hardware that already installed windows 11?

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