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Since rpis have been almost impossible to find, I've been looking around for alternatives for some local self hosted services like home assistant. A lot of boards seem to talk about GPU, GPIO pins, etc. But I really just want a single board, fanless (low power), decent CPU and RAM, ethernet.

Any recommendations?

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[-] brotherballan@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

The Orange Pi 5 or Orange Pi 3 LTS are solid options, depending on your budget and how much horsepower you need.

[-] marsokod@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

If you don't care about GPIO/serial lines, frankly buy a small NUC or a used Thinkcentre M93p. Used, you can find them for very cheap (£100 in my case), they are powerful enough for your needs, you can have an actual SSD storage, and you will avoid the odd issue with a software not working on ARM (less and less the case but still worth taking into account).

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'll second the NUC--I use one as an HTPC and another as a headless server. Both run quiet, though there is a single small fan. Can't speak to power usage though.

[-] nocaptchaforme@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

This is slightly different, but in this rpi drought, I've set up proxmox on an old laptop and have several VMs/LXC/containers running on it. It fills that same role for me. I don't know exactly what the power cost comparison is, but it's gotta beat several rpis running simultaneously.

[-] mountainCalledMonkey@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago

2nd this - great way to have tons of flexibility

[-] Scrath@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I have a similar setup but with a lenovo tiny pc.

Another advantage is that I no longer have to worry about sd cards randomly dying

[-] sammydee@readit.buzz 8 points 1 year ago
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[-] Notorious@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s not that difficult to get a Pi 4. I wrote a python script that scraped rpilocator’s rss feed every 5 minutes and would notify my phone when one was available in the US. It went off basically every day around 8:30am PST when Adafruit would drop 100+ Pi4s. I’ve picked up two in the past week (one for my Voron printer and another for a RetroPi cabinet). They did sell out fairly fast.. in about 10 minutes or so.

[-] saucyloggins@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Sorry I have to laugh at this. If you have to write a script for it even if the script is easy there’s no way I can consider it “not hard”. Not hard is just being able buy it like anything else.

I get what you’re saying though.

[-] Notorious@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I didn’t realize it would be so easy when I wrote the script. Knowing what I know now I’d just check adafruit every couple minutes starting a bit before 8:30am PST.

[-] Perhyte@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hard for a "layperson", maybe. But IMHO for someone interested in self-hosting this probably should not be a hard problem to solve, or at least a decent "warmup exercise" to see if you'd like it.

I say this because you don't even need to write the script yourself, there are plenty of preexisting applications that can be configured to notify you of updates to an RSS feed.

I'm sure I could whip that up in changedetection.io or Node-RED pretty quickly, for example.

I don't use a dedicated RSS feed reader app, but I'd also be somewhat surprised if there isn't one that supports some form of push notifications.

[-] homelabber@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

The thing is that right now it's not worth it to buy a raspberry pi if you want to selfhost. It is 4 years old at this point but it cost 50% more than when it was released.

[-] iAmNotorious@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Power wise you are absolutely correct. It is not the best performance value anymore. However, support for the Pi4 is much more robust when using them in specific projects designed to use them.

For everything else I have a much beefier Unraid server that hosts all of my dockers and VMs.

[-] iwasgodonce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

rock64 works pretty good for my use case as a 700 mbit router.

I've heard good things about the rockpi.

[-] Shortcake@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Old laptop or PC. I use an intel NUC for mine. Hosting 30 docker containers

[-] arkcom@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

hp t530 or dell wyse 3040 or 5070 thin clients

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[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The OrangePi 5 is one of the better options right now. Starts at $80 for a 4GB (RAM) model and goes all the way up to a 32GB model. CPU is roughly twice as good as an rpi 4, so if you want you can underclock it with no fan and get solid perf still

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Lots of cheep SFF/thin client machines on eBay.

[-] BigVault@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I bought a £20 thin client off of eBay to use as a simple file/Emby/pihole and Pivpn server running Ubuntu Server LTS for my home lab

Works great.

[-] MarkC568@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago
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[-] DiagnosedADHD@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thin client! They're significantly more powerful than a pi and you can grab them for nothing on eBay and you can use the nvme slots for storage, I've had sd cards go bad in pis

[-] LaudemPax@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Thin Clients are the way to go! I got a Dell Wyse 5010 for cheap on ebay and replaced the internal 8 GB DOM memory with a 1TB SSD so it's basically a NAS now.

It does take a little DIY (video) but after that it runs more performant than RPis I've had in the past

[-] nicman24@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

a cheap second hand laptop will be both faster and will have better wattage and what is basically an internal UPS

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[-] vividspecter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Aliexpress has some reasonably affordable fanless mini PCs. Not quite as low power but you can run a heap of containers on them since they are more powerful and x86 and some of them have multiple ethernet ports which can be useful for router purposes etc

[-] sphere_au@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Of the alternatives available, Libre Computer, Pine64 and Orange/Banana Pi all offer options that fit what you're looking for. You can generally find these on Amazon, eBay etc at a reasonable price.

[-] PopYaCork@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I gave up on using raspberry pi for running servers.

I ended up buying a $60 lenovo on ebay https://www.servethehome.com/lenovo-thinkcentre-m710q-tiny-guide-and-ce-review/2/ and then loaded it up with 32GB of ram. Now I run a proxmox hypervisor and around 20+ containers/VMs. Best decision I ever made. I just spin up servers willy nilly

If you don't need GPIO then run a hypervisor. Cheaper than SBCs and more useful.

[-] orangeboats@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I use a pi for servers because of the assumption that it uses very little power to run (compared to say, an old unused laptop), is that not the case?

[-] PopYaCork@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Sure, but I just told you I'm running over 20 servers. Try running 20 raspberry pi's 😀

My resources are being shared for around 20W of power.

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[-] jetsetdorito@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

After running Plex off a pi for like 6 years I think I'm finally about to graduate to a old PC in my closet

[-] lixus98@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Why are rpis hard to find? Are they not making as many anymore?

[-] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Chip shortage, then scalpers happened.

[-] pienix@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Still feeling the effects of the Chip Shortage of 2020-2022. They are still making a lot of pi's, but they have a huge backlog to work away. Large contracts get priority over distributors, unfortunately, so they are very hard to find.

https://rpilocator.com/ scrapes the web and displays available stock. Managed to get a rpi4 8GB a couple of weeks ago.

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[-] peereboominc@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have an Odroid c2 for that purpose. Low power but powerful enough to be used for home automation. The c2 is a bit older so there are probably newer versions. https://www.hardkernel.com/

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[-] Protegee9850@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Get a mini pc/NUC with an intel j4125 or better and it will be a great little streaming powerhouse for jellyfin. Usually can grab one for < $150

[-] asjmcguire@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Lewis from Everything Smart Home dropped a video a few weeks back, telling us about the Zimaboard - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr7vo9NAWfo low power, fanless, single board etc.

[-] unixorn@readit.buzz 2 points 1 year ago

I don't need to run amd64 containers, so I like the Orange Pi 5 for raw ARM compute. For $149 you can get one with 16GB of RAM, an NVMe slot and 8 cores, all for < 15 watts.

If you're looking for something to be a disk server, the Odroid HC4 doesn't have as many cores or RAM but it does have 2 SATA slots in a toaster configuration.

[-] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Look for secondhand thin clients such as HP T620. They're usually can be had for $30 or less (or more) depending on the configuration. They also have low power usage, not as low as a pi, but still low enough (<10 W).

[-] xsoulp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm looking around for a SBC too, under 100$. Can't find stock of banana nor orange Pis. So i forgot about those. I like the features of the odroid boards, and the radxa rock boards. I'll probably buy the rock 4; seems like a good option.

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

OrangePi 5s are in stock on Amazon

[-] kevinvrules@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

This is definitely the way to go or a nanopi

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