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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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[-] zikk_transport2@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Least offensive linux user

[-] eroc1990@lemmy.parastor.net 12 points 1 year ago

I'm still using Windows on my gaming rig, and Pop on my laptop, and each have their own quirks.

[-] MediaActivist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Oh, totally. I've lost count of the times I've helped folks with their computers and most of their problems seem to be from using Windows: "I'm confused about antivirus," "I keep forgetting to check on updates for the program I use so much," "I'm unsure if I'm on the correct site to download an exe file from," "I keep getting ads in my taskbar," "I was going to find a different browser to use but my computer dissuaded me from doing so," and on and on, and I just think "If only you'd simply try Linux."

[-] sudo@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago

For the 'average' user you're suggesting to be helping none of these are remotely difficult to address..

"I'm confused about antivirus," Windows handles it

"I keep forgetting to check on updates for the program I use so much," The apps you use will ask to update when you use them

"I'm unsure if I'm on the correct site to download an exe file from," The website for the application

"I keep getting ads in my taskbar," Disabled in literally 3 seconds at install and never think about it again (yeah it's dumb it happens at all, fine)

"I was going to find a different browser to use but my computer dissuaded me from doing so," getfirefox.com. install & run. Click set default browser when it pops up.

If you can't answer a simple one sentence answer to an easy question I don't think it's Windows fault. I say this as somehow who has helped tech illiterate people of all sorts on Windows, Linux, and Unix systems over the past 25+ years.

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[-] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com 11 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna doubt this one. I've done several installs of various debian-based distros and a full reinstall of Windows 10 recently, and I feel confident in saying that, to have this much difficulty installing Windows, you would either have to be using a corrupt image or damn near tech illiterate.

[-] RichardButt89@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This is absolute nonsense. Getting windows up and running is stupid easy.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Idk what to tell you buddy but you’re fucking up something super simple. I say this as a person who manages an IT department that maintains thousands of windows PCs for the end users to use.

If you’re struggling this hard to install windows and one application, it’s on you

[-] aGeN@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

I wiped windows and installed Linux back in 2004 and never looked back.
Now im only forced to use windows in work, constantly asking my work mates how to do this n that on it. I sure they think im sine sort computer illiterate numpty with no clue.

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[-] ChargedBasisGrand@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

write tiny10 to usb
boot usb
15 minute install
windows

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[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Linux still is not a main gaming OS yet. Stop being an asshole; you know this is true.

[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I've installed W10 like 2 years ago and it was one of the worst installing experiences in my life, so many unnecessary barriers.

[-] TerabyteRex@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

are you trying to do something apecial? windows 11 is a very quick and uninvolved install

[-] ravenz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You can tell them all the pros and cons about it, but in all 38 years of my life, I've only had one person enthusiastically wanted to try something new on their PC, a fellow class mate from back in highschool. People legitimately don't like new things when they think what they already use is perfectly fine.

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[-] Vinegar@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I know your struggle. It's not uncommon to experience issues with the Windows installer if the install medium is not created using Microsoft's official Windows installation media creation tool (Use the middle option to download mediacreationtool.exe).

Coming from Linux, I tried writing the Windows .iso directly to a USB drive using dd, this absolutely would not work on any machine for me. Sometimes the install medium would boot, sometimes it wouldn't, but even if it did the installer wouldn't recognize any storage mediums or would fail part way through installing. Using the official media creation tool resolved all the issues I was having.

I do not know why the Windows .iso images do not work on any of my machines, but it sounds like you are experiencing the same issues that I was. Give the official media creation tool a try, hopefully that resolves the issue.

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[-] peetabix@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Sounds more like a hardware issue than a Windows one.

Oh you installed Windows 11? That's your problem right there. Go back to Windows 10

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Lol I threw in the towel after round 2 of the insider hub with windows 11 beta

Thanks for ignoring literally everyone's demands and removing the core features that made windows usable Microsoft

Been happy on Fedora for 2 years. Never going back.

Hasn't even been stable since windows 7 tbh

[-] yukichigai@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Right now we're in the "every other" release of Windows, the one that's shit. 7 was good, so 8 was shit. 10 was good, so now 11 is shit. I'm not surprised you're having problems.

Might try using 10 and see if that's any better. At a minimum it's not going to be nearly as picky about what it will or won't install on.

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[-] Kinglink@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Wait... You built a computer. Installed an OS on it, one of the easiest OSes to install... And now are having an issue installing steam... And somehow it's the OS' fault?

This is either fake, trying to pirate windows, or your trying to avoid responsibility for not being able to assemble a simple computer. Wtf?

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[-] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm sorry, but if Windows was that hard for you to install, you did something majorly wrong. I haven't installed 11 on anything, but 7 and 10 were both cakewalks that practically hold your hand all the way through. It's the last step when building a PC -- after the actual work is finished.

If you have little experience with Windows, you may just be suffering from its "easiness." It lets you do less in order to protect the less knowledgeable user. From personal experience in similar matters, I can attest to how frustrating that can be. You don't want Windows to do it for you, you just want to do it! So you try to find a way to do things your way, bash your head against a wall, get frustrated, and ultimately take much longer to do anything.

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