417
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 90 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is the first comic that expresses why I rage quit so many games with overly difficult boss fights ( if there's any delay measured in more than microseconds between retries ).

I played (and still do) the original one hit kill arcade bullshit. Hell, I beat Alladin on SNES. I'm not allergic to a challenge.

But, today, I have no time to repeat anything that isn't fun in a video game. I could be filling out tax forms with that time.

[-] DudeVsDawg@lemmy.ml 35 points 9 months ago

Bro, for real. I just want to practice phase two Radahn with my build, but it's such a slog just to get him there and then survive long enough to figure out the moveset.

[-] nyar@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

If it's a slog to get to phase two, practice phase one more or change your build to do more damage.

[-] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 72 points 9 months ago

"If you don't enjoy doing it over and over again, just do it over and over again a bunch more times"

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] DudeVsDawg@lemmy.ml 25 points 9 months ago

I have been, doesn't mean I like it. It's been a big time investment on my part.

This isn't really the message of the comic, which is more about the direction of FromSoft's boss design, but it also kinda sucks to struggle and persevere with a fun, wacky build throughout the entire DLC only to be met with a brick wall at the very end because I'm not playing the right way. So I'm faced with the options to either change the build I've been loving to something cheesier/easier, put in even more time at the same boss going through the motions and slowly learning over the course of hours, or just quitting because I have other games to play and there's nothing after the boss anyways.

Ultimately, I understand that this is all to do with my own stubbornness/principles, but I still think it indicates a flaw in the 'balance' of the game where I could easily end the suffering by just parrying or poking with a big ass shield in hand, but quitting gets the same results, is faster, and somehow feels more rewarding. /rant

[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

That’s what I did. Loved all of Elden Ring, it is at the top of my all time favorite games. Did not have the fun with and didn’t want to pour more time into Radahn and said fuck it. It felt bad at first but I’m sure the time and frustration I spared myself is well worth it.

[-] brillotti@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Took me 12h to kill the final DLC boss with a spellcaster build. It was truly brutal. Didn't help that the boss damage was glitched for one of the attacks and hit during roll iframes.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 14 points 9 months ago

This is a big reason I farmed hard in Elden Ring and have 356 hours. I spent a lot of that time leveling my health up so I can take more damage. Level 156 and my health bar is like half the width of my TV lmao.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Sure, but farming isn’t really playing a game though. A boss should be beatable in some clever, but challenging way at a reasonable level range.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I beat the original Ducktales and Battletoads back in the day. But, back then I had the luxury of time. Ain't nobody got time for this shit!

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Man, I recently introduced my kid to both the NES Battletoads and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!

I beat that one Battletoads stage (you know the one) on the third try. And Mr Sandman on the fourth try (did not play against Mike).

I was super stoked. Third try! I'm old now. Apparently my time put into it as a kid stuck with me.

Doesn't really relate to anything in this thread, I just needed to brag to someone because my kid and couple of friends totally did not get it.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Are people going around playing like duck tales was hard now? You could just pogo jump through most of the game and be fine.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I was kinda thinking the same thing, but lots of people do consider it hard.

The remake still freaking amazes me. It's really good, and the voice actors (at least, the 80% from the original cast) did fantastic.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 58 points 9 months ago

It's lazy game design to make a fight "harder" by just adding increasingly long periods where all you can do is dodge.

[-] sploosh@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

The soulslike genre is simply bullet hell where you don't always get to see the bullets before they hit you, stuck inside a metroidvania.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

Delayed attacks as a form of increasing difficult are just extremely unfun. Yeah, you made the boss harder, you also made it extremely frustrating, congratz.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 9 months ago

It's literally helping you actually learn to dodge perfectly instead of just spamming it and getting lucky. Like instead of rolling when they do the back swing, you now have to actually wait for them to swing their attack.

If this was the first game like this you played, it wouldn't even be that much harder to learn. It's actually harder having played all the games prior to Elden Ring that conditioned you to dodge on the back swing.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

It’s usually not a matter of just waiting - it’s a matter of memorizing. I get the impression if the AI bosses could manually set different delays on their swings after winding up each time, they would literally be impossible.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They can do that. And one of the first dudes you'll see doing it is Margit. They only delay the time between back swing and the actual attack. So you'll know it's coming, you just need to dodge (or parry) when they take a swing at you, not when they bring their hand back. Shit, sometimes Margit will just do the back swing and if you stay away or calm long enough, he just goes back to an idle animation and doesn't attack you.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

The first measuring stick dude, he makes sure you learn the mechanics. I feel like Margit and morgott are the exclusively to make sure you have a handle on them. Hell I didn't realize jumping could dodge attacks until godfrey.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 9 months ago

The weird thing I found in the dlc with jumping is that, for whatever reason, when the Putrescent Knight does that blue fire attack, you can jump it but not roll it. Or at least, I can't figure out how to avoid damage by rolling it. Rolling forward should avoid a hit, but I still take one; jumping it avoids it totally. It doesn't even seem jumpable because the flames still touch your upper body while doing it and you only have i-frames from the waist down.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

The fire is a persistent hitbox that lasts longer than a roll gives iframes. The airtime of the jump lasts long enough when timed right.

Some of the channels of blue fire can also be avoided outright but I never got a handle on how that worked. And the visuals, like a lot of fires in Elden Ring, don't look like you should be able to jump it. Looks super edgy though when you do though.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's my biggest problem with FromSoft games. They are not challenging, they're just slow HP sponges that can one-shot you. That is not challenging, it's just unfair, and frankly boring.

I think the game would be funner even with the simple tweak of making the animations faster. No fighter EVER wins IRL by telegraphing their attacks for three seconds.

[-] Renacles@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Have you played their previous games? It's only an issue in Elden Ring.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Dark Souls also has slow enemies. Supposedly Sekiro is better in that regard, but meh.

[-] minyakcurry@monyet.cc 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sekiro is much faster paced; it pays to be aggressive after all. The only time I felt like having to delay my reaction time was with the snake eyes with her weird grab iirc.

I didn't like elden ring much, combat felt more plodding and frustrating to me (and I plat "difficult" games: HK, sekiro, STS).

Coming from someone who shares your frustration with morgott or morgit or the 3 other copy-paste boss's stick that hovers in the air for 5 business days...

Play sekiro

[-] Renacles@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Slow and delayed is not the same thing, Dark Souls enemies won't wait 3 seconds mid attack to throw you off.

[-] tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Vigor check missed

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

In Elden Ring you can often attack during the windup and then dodge. Creating a posture break during those delays can be quite a fun experience.

Plus you can do things like jumping attacks to dodge and duck a lot more of those spinning combos than you'd expect.

The ascetic with the hoops at the very start whiffs most of his chained attacks without you even having to dodge once you figure it out.

FromSoft games are fun to learn, and that frustration is often the appeal as the tricks are discovered.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 30 points 9 months ago

The base game was way more accessible than any other Soulslike which pulled in way more players than any other soulslike and now all the players that got used to the base game are mad that the DLC is as hard as any soulslike ever has been.

I think it's hilarious seeing all the players half the item descriptions in the game make fun of.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

All the souls dlcs have been much harder than the base games. Artorias, fume knight, ludwig and gael all stomped me until i changed up tactics. The dlcs have always been aimed at late/post game characters.

[-] tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I went back to DS3 a few weeks ago and its insane how easy Gael and Friede are compared to like everything in Elden Ring.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] RickyWars@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

Except this time the DLC scales so being late/post game doesn't even save you

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Scales off of it still, the requirement of beating mohg and radahn puts you late game regardless.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I can beat both at level 30. I'm not confident that I have the patience to even fight a Soldier of Messmer at that level. I'd be dodging and whittling away at them for like an hour. 😩

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I feel the soldier of messmer is a slight exaggeration but anything bigger would definitely be an issue. They might be harder than mohg though, he has gohans dodging skill while the soldiers have and use shields.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Boiling down the descriptor to one word - “hard” - really doesn’t serve the discussion well.

Someday, I want to make “The hardest game ever made”, just to show raw inability to win is not fun on its own.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago

That makes sense to me. DLCs come after you finished the rest so of course difficulty has to rise. It's the same in all games with an escalating difficulty and force balance I would think. Doom Eternal does the same.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Meanwhile streamers are beating the dlc just throwing roundrocks.

[-] frigidaphelion@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

If you dont like it, dont play it. 🤷‍♂️

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

yeah guys, never criticize or review any work of art!

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

People refuse to collect fragments, refuse to use better weapons they refuse to buff or use summons AND then act like little bitchbabies. Nooo i want to beat it MY way. And by my way they mean naked with a stick, because they see streamers do it. This literally doesn't happen in any other game. Factorio is way too hard, and no, i won't use conveyor belts. Destiny 2 is IMPOSSIBLE to beat with my 600 light level, what a bad game. DOOM is way too hard, why is everything such a bullet sponge, they need to buff the starter pistol. Ugh, this 6 man wow raid is too hard to do by myself, i think i'll sue blizzard.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

those are all part of game design and are valid things to criticize. for example, if a game needs you to grind 400 hours before you can enter your second dungeon or else it's too high level for you to beat, it's shit design. "oh but you're not playing the way it's designed; you're trying to beat it YOUR way" isn't enough defense by itself.

for me I'd suggest maybe don't be that invested in a game that criticism of it enrages you this much. it also helps if being "good at hard game" isn't a replacement for a personality; one would not need take those critiques so personally and get mad like a... what's it called? ah yes, a bitchbaby.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Incoming flood of posts about Assassin’s Creed, Redfall, Gollum, and Skull and Bones. Remember what you said - if you don’t like the game, stay silent!

[-] RacerX@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago

Wish cheat codes were still a thing. Sometimes I just need a little help getting past one part but don't have time to grind it out like I would have before.

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

You mean like mods that are easily accessible? God i wish.

[-] Senshi@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Or trainers, equally ready to access. There's even tools like wemod that offer trainers for all your games at a convenient single click.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 9 months ago

Based middle-aged lady Elden Ring player.

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2024
417 points (100.0% liked)

Comic Strips

16561 readers
1877 users here now

Comic Strips is a community for those who love comic stories.

The rules are simple:

Web of links

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS