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[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 96 points 2 months ago

You don't have kids because it's too expensive.

I don't have kids because I'm immature, irresponsible, would screw it up like everything else in my life, can't even take care of myself let alone another human, these genes aren't worth passing on, climate change will almost certainly never be taken as seriously as it should be, and it's not like there's anyone that would want to have my kids anyway.

We are not the same.

And also it's too expensive.

[-] JustAnotherRando@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

I don't have kids because I find fulfillment in life without them. I get to travel, spend time on hobbies, and have a social life. I know you can technically do those things while having kids, but generally not to the same degree.
Also, I think letting our population decline a bit is probably better for our species and our planet.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

I get to travel, spend time on hobbies, and have a social life.

I have kids, travel, hobby, and have a social life. Introducing kids to new places, ideas, and people has given me a new perspective on them and made these activities more fun.

Also, I think letting our population decline a bit is probably better for our species and our planet.

The biggest waste producers on our planet aren't the areas with the most people. They're the areas with the access to the most money and the least political consequence.

The OpenAI project is a great example of this. Phenomenal consumption of domestic resources - land, minerals, energy, water - at the hands of a few thousand people. If everyone in Brazil stopped existing tomorrow, Sam Altman would still be pumping out huge plumes of CO2 and sucking up hectares of water to cool his data centers.

Similarly, the assorted wars in Europe and the Middle East - Russia/Ukraine, Israel's genocide in Palestine, the US/Afghanistan and US/Iraq missions - have been resource hogs that vastly outstripped anything a comparable number of civilians would have consumed.

Idk what the "correct" number of humans is, but the notion that we can end the ecological degradation if the population gets cut in half really underweight the biggest drivers of the harm.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I grew up in a family with over a dozen siblings.

I didn't have space to myself nor a quiet Saturday morning until I was 21 years old, and I did a shit-ton of parenting without my consent.

Kids suck. Childrearing sucks. My dogs are nicer, cleaner, more loving, and cuter than human children. You couldn't pay men enough to give up my quiet, clean condo on a Saturday morning.

Also it's too expensive.

[-] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Who cares, let population decline for a generation or so. Maybe we will stop producing so much shit and scale back

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

let population decline for a generation or so

But that's bad for the Big GDP Number

[-] s_s@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Oh no, not the economy!

Anyways...

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

The Economy is kinda important, especially when the big Economy Computer starts telling everyone that a downturn in Brawndo sales means they're all homeless.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

that's not how capitalism works. if you're not selling enough shit you find a way to make the same people buy more or pay more. line must go up. no scaling back. line must go up.

[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 months ago

Maybe you can solve the problem by letting immigrants in

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 16 points 2 months ago

Our leaders wouldn't mind that except that immigrants might come from countries where they grew up with access to banned books...

[-] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

I don't think that racism boils down to red scare or whatever you are implying. Racism has a long tradition like the Asian Exclamation Act from 1924

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[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Short term solution. As countries become more affluent the birth rate tends to drop. Globally countries are generally becoming more affluent. So you'll just shift the problem and run out of immigrants.

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[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

After a century of telling people work, career, consumption and wealth are the most important thing in their life, business leaders are now shocked people will prioritize work, career, consumption and wealth over having many children.

Furthermore, after cutting programs for making child care, health care and education affordable, politicians are wondering why people don't bring as much children into the world that need a lot of health care, child care and education.

[-] GrundlButter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 2 months ago

There was a time when a man with a highschool education could work a single full-time job to buy a house and support a stay at home partner and 2 children. Bring that back and you'll probably get more babies.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

Government in the 1940s: "Here, we're demolishing black and rural neighborhoods to give returning veterans a cheap suburban housing stock. Also, we're doing big industrial jobs programs and ramping up our domestic manufacturing base."

Baby Boom Happens

Government in 2020s: "Here, we're larding you up with debt all through your twenties and turning every facet of life into a micro payment we can ratchet upwards on a whim."

Baby Bust Happens

[-] VerdantSporeSeasoning@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

Hmm, will Gen Z become known as the Busters?

I kinda like that

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

Now you know why the corporate backers of Republicans want to use their platform to outlaw abortion and birth control.

[-] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

I always thought about it as a way to secretly promote gay agenda. If contraceptives were to be banned, I would've become celibate or gay

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[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

GOP: "that's okay, just trap them to have children and make abortion illegal."

Remember JD Vance said that childless individuals "should not have as much of a voice."

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[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Reminds me of the CEO who took a giant paycut so everyone in his company can earn 70k/yr minimum. Guess what some of his employees started doing. They started to have kids.

[-] Leg@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

People like him should be the norm, not an anomaly. In a system in full support of greed, only the greedy are meant to thrive unfortunately.

[-] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

I'd just adopt more dogs. Who would want drooling grimlins running around draining your bank account destroyed your social life.

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[-] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately, that man (Dan Price) ended up being charged with assault later down the road, which I've seen used as an "argument" against the pay cut as just "well he's a bad person, so obviously that's a bad idea too."

I recall it being brought up on an old Fox News clip from an interview they'd done with someone a few years back, but I can't seem to find it anymore. Could also just be my memory being a bit hazy though.

Regardless, who could have guessed that paying your workers a fair cut of their labor's value would make them capable of supporting themselves in a capitalist society? /s

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Where can I get some of that $1200 rent that isn’t in the middle of some hillbilly backwater?

[-] spacesatan@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

I had a 2 bedroom in Albuquerque for 1100 last year, with horrible noise pollution but still.

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[-] Glimpythegoblin@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Lots of great smaller towns in the middle of the country. Usually pretty progressive too if you stay in town.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

Ignoring the elephant in the room called "Child Care." Often that's more expensive than housing.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

jokes on billionaires, because of your shitty greed there wont be anyone left to buy your worthless junk

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

They will be long dead before any of this matters, so I doubt they will care.

[-] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

And long dead ages before they'd run out of money even living a ridiculously lavish lifestyle...and yet profit and greed still somehow motivate them. Is it just the dick swinging thing about having the largest number on paper?

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[-] iarwain@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

When did we go from “baby boom” to “this is the correct population level we should sustain”. A boom eventually gets a correction

[-] carotte 9 points 2 months ago

when it became clear that the people who "weren’t having enough kids" were white, it’s been white supremacy this whole time

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago

Dang millennials! They must be the most powerful generation in... generations! Is there anything them avocado toasters can't ruin?

[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago

Republicans: the solution is fascism!

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

The baby boom generation is dying off and you're supposed to replace that?

Who writes these articles? Do they even think? Do they pause for one moment to think?

[-] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

AI. AI writes these articles.

The I stands for 'Incompetence'.

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[-] Hammocks4All@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

The few babies born in this generation will eventually be called “busters” from the “baby bust generation”

[-] Macropolis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

If I get rich I'm knocking up everyone.

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[-] Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Liberalism and capitalism making it hard to make families.

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