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[-] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 71 points 1 year ago

Cops are just gangsters most people trust sadly. They are a protection racket that steals from you (taxes) and is actually not required to protect you at all.

[-] 4am@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago
[-] SyJ@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

tax bad
cops bad
corrupt military dictatorships good

[-] frevaljee@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

What do you call taking someone's money without their consent, using force/threat of violence?

[-] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 year ago

Taxes pays my education and healthcare, it funds the military that makes russia think twice before invading my country, it builds and maintains all the roads and bridges I use every day to move around, it pays food and housing for the people that can't afford that themselves.

I'm gladly paying taxes as long as it's not all going to the pockets of corrupt politicans.

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[-] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago

Listen, I hate cops too, but if you're taking part in and benefitting from modern society, you're gonna have to chip in for that convenience. If you don't like it, live off the grid.

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[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

The biggest and most successful gang.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

Civil Forfeiture is theft and Qualified Immunity is a murder license. Not that there seems to be any way to convince anyone in power to fix it

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Qualified Immunity is just straight up illegal. We just need to challenge it with the proper wording of the law that the Reconstruction Congress passed in 1871.

16 Crucial Words That Went Missing From a Landmark Civil Rights Law

The phrase, seemingly deleted in error, undermines the basis for qualified immunity, the legal shield that protects police officers from suits for misconduct.

By Adam Liptak Reporting from Washington

May 15, 2023

In a routine decision in March, a unanimous three-judge panel of a federal appeals court ruled against a Texas inmate who was injured when the ceiling of the hog barn he was working in collapsed. The court, predictably, said the inmate could not overcome qualified immunity, the much-criticized legal shield that protects government officials from suits for constitutional violations.

The author of the decision, Judge Don R. Willett, then did something unusual. He issued a separate concurring opinion to draw attention to the “game-changing arguments” in a recent law review article, one that seemed to demonstrate that the Supreme Court’s entire qualified immunity jurisprudence was based on a mistake.

“Wait, what?” Judge Willett wrote, incredulous.

In 1871, after the Civil War, Congress enacted a law that allowed suits against state officials for violations of constitutional rights. But the Supreme Court has said that the law, usually called Section 1983, did not displace immunities protecting officials that existed when the law was enacted. The doctrine of qualified immunity is based on that premise.

But the premise is wrong, Alexander A. Reinert, a professor at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, wrote in the article, “Qualified Immunity’s Flawed Foundation,” published in The California Law Review.

Between 1871, when the law was enacted, and 1874, when a government official produced the first compilation of federal laws, Professor Reinert wrote, 16 words of the original law went missing. Those words, Professor Reinert wrote, showed that Congress had indeed overridden existing immunities.

“What if the Reconstruction Congress had explicitly stated — right there in the original statutory text — that it was nullifying all common-law defenses against Section 1983 actions?” Judge Willett asked. “That is, what if Congress’s literal language unequivocally negated the original interpretive premise for qualified immunity?”

The original version of the law, the one that was enacted in 1871, said state officials who subject “any person within the jurisdiction of the United States to the deprivation of any rights, privileges or immunities secured by the Constitution of the United States, shall, any such law, statute, ordinance, regulation, custom or usage of the state to the contrary notwithstanding, be liable to the party injured in any action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.”

The words in italics, for reasons lost to history, were omitted from the first compilation of federal laws in 1874, which was prepared by a government official called “the reviser of the federal statutes.”

“The reviser’s error, whether one of omission or commission, has never been corrected,” Judge Willett wrote.

The logic of the Supreme Court’s qualified immunity jurisprudence is that Congress would not have displaced existing immunities without saying so. But Professor Reinert argued that Congress did say so, in so many words.

“The omitted language confirms that the Reconstruction Congress in 1871 intended to provide a broad remedy for civil rights violations by state officials,” Professor Reinert said in an interview, noting that the law was enacted soon after the three constitutional amendments ratified after the Civil War: to outlaw slavery, insist on equal protection and guard the right to vote.

“Along with other contemporaneous evidence, including legislative history, it helps to show that Congress meant to fully enforce the Reconstruction Amendments via a powerful new cause of action,” Professor Reinert said.

Judge Willett, who was appointed by President Donald J. Trump, focused on the words of the original statute “in this text-centric judicial era when jurists profess unswerving fidelity to the words Congress chose.”

Qualified immunity, which requires plaintiffs to show that the officials had violated a constitutional right that was clearly established in a previous ruling, has been widely criticized by scholars and judges across the ideological spectrum. Justice Clarence Thomas, for instance, wrote that it does not appear to resemble the immunities available in 1871.

Professor Reinert’s article said that “is only half the story.”

“The real problem,” he wrote, “is that no qualified immunity doctrine at all should apply in Section 1983 actions, if courts stay true to the text adopted by the enacting Congress.”

Joanna Schwartz, a law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, and the author of “Shielded: How the Police Became Untouchable,” said that “there is general agreement that the qualified immunity doctrine, as it currently operates, looks nothing like any protections that may have existed in 1871.” The new article, she said, identified “additional causes for skepticism.”

She added that “Judge Willett’s concurring opinion has brought much-needed, and well-deserved, attention to Alex Reinert’s insightful article.”

Judge Willett wrote that he and his colleagues are “middle-management circuit judges” who cannot overrule Supreme Court decisions. “Only that court,” he wrote, “can definitively grapple with Section 1983’s enacted text and decide whether it means what it says.”

Lawyers for the injured Texas inmate, Kevion Rogers, said they were weighing their options.

“The scholarship that Judge Willett unearthed in his concurrence is undoubtedly important to the arguments that civil rights litigants can make in the future,” the lawyers, Matthew J. Kita and Damon Mathias, said in a statement.

“Normally,” they added, “you cannot raise a new argument for reversal for the first time on appeal, much less at the Supreme Court of the United States. But one would think that if the Supreme Court acknowledges that it has been reciting and applying the statute incorrectly for nearly a century, there must be some remedy available to litigants whose judgments are not yet final.”

Adam Liptak covers the Supreme Court and writes Sidebar, a column on legal developments. A graduate of Yale Law School, he practiced law for 14 years before joining The Times in 2002. @adamliptak • Facebook

A version of this article appears in print on May 16, 2023, Section A, Page 15 of the New York edition with the headline: 16 Crucial Words That Went Missing From a Landmark Civil Rights Law.

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[-] Xariphon@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago

ACAB.

Yes, Ballentine, even you, you fluffy little snitch.

[-] Varcour@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago
[-] darcy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

this happens everywhere with a strong police force. just moreso in the us

[-] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

In case you didn't know: Fuck the police. It's not that I don't like them, i fucking hate them...

[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I really think it is the system. It is a system that gives positive feedback for negative human behavior. And I have no solution for it. But I believe that regardless who becomes police it will break their humanity. And that seems like a bad system to me.

thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[-] itchy_lizard@feddit.it 8 points 1 year ago

Hey man, it's only 99% of them that make the rest look bad.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People always tell me I should trust cops more, this is a handy fact to have in my back pocket.

[-] SyJ@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

This was a good article, US centric, but interesting. Would have been better if it didn't start with a picture of a happy looking dog and a seizure of $100k cash which the author can't even explain. The law says you have to prove you didn't get the money illegally, if I had $100k in my suitcase I think I would be able to explain how I got it.

[-] urist 31 points 1 year ago

In the US, you are innocent until proven guilty. Civil asset forfeiture runs against this idea. The burden should be on the government to prove this stuff is ill-gotten gains, anything else is unamerican.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

It must be nice to have thousands of dollars and have no idea where it came from. But realistically it's highly unlikely that you would walk around with it.

Presumably you either were handed it in which case you know where you got it from, or you got it out of the bank in which case you must have a business or lottery winnings or inheritance you can point to.

I cannot imagine any innocent scenario where you have vast of money (in currency form) of which you are unable to provide origin information on.

[-] ASK_ME_ABOUT_LOOM@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

This is the same argument as "you wouldn't object to a search if you have nothing to hide." The fact is that anyone walking around with thousands of dollars, however "nice" you imagine that to be, is entitled to do so without any explanation due to you or the government.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

No it's common for cash. Anytime you buy anything very expensive, such as a house or you want to take out a fun contract you have to submit to anti money laundering searches. This is also true of physical cash.

[-] ASK_ME_ABOUT_LOOM@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry, but you're conflating "using" cash with "having" cash. I can't speak to the rest of the world, but in the United States, the 4th amendment of the Bill of Rights states that you're to be free of unreasonable search and seizure. You can have any amount of money on your person for any reason you like, so long as you don't do something illegal with it. These cops are stealing cash under the pretense that it could have been used for something illegal, which directly conflicts with the idea of being innocent until proven guilty. The sham they perpetrate is that it's the cash being accused, not the person. It's bullshit and they have no intention of doing anything other than keeping the cash.

Want to withdraw all of your cash in dollar bills so that you can lay on it like a mattress? Legal, and cops shouldn't have any claim to it.

Want to withdraw all of your cash in golden dollar coins and try to swim in it like Scrooge McDuck? An ill-advised plan, considering how fucked the American healthcare system works, but legal, and once again, cops should have no claim to it.

Just having property - cash, gold, diamonds, very small unicorn figurines, whatever - is not an illegal or even inherently suspicious act.

Without probable cause, there's no reason a government agent should ever be able to take any property from you.

[-] electrorocket@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

You don't just have to explain it, you have to hire a lawyer and take them to court to prove it, which is opposite of every other law in the country where you are innocent unless proven guilty.

[-] SyJ@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I'm not agreeing with it, but if I had $100k in my back pocket I would know how I got it. Like I said, the article should have focused on normal people with reasonable and understandable amounts, who probably wouldn't be able to afford the court costs either.

[-] abraxas@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

The point is, that's not enough. You have to prove it in a court of law. Which, for $100,000, might cost most of that $100,000 and years of time.

There have been some clear-cut seizure cases where the legitimacy of the money was obvious and it was either not worth the legal fees to clear up or simply insane to clear up. We are a "reasonable doubt" country for a reason, and if you can't prove someone came about their money illegally, you shouldn't be stealing it from them.

[-] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

and the cop isnt going to give a shit to listen to you, because hes still gonna take it, and you have to expend time and money going to court to prove the money is innocent.

and even then you might not get it back

[-] radau@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

You're assuming they don't just kill you on the spot to make sure you don't take it back

[-] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

theres been plenty of people who ahd proof how they got their money legitimately, and still had it taken.

Why?

because police want to buy more military gear, and your seized cash goes directly into their toy fund.

[-] toasteecup@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Who I am, what I've said, what I'm in support of and not in support of, that stuff isn't information I want shared willy nilly with the rest of the world. I like choosing who gets to know me.

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