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[-] TheFlopster@lemmy.world 118 points 2 months ago
[-] laurelraven 57 points 2 months ago

I've got a few capacitive buttons in my car, none of them critical, but I'd gladly replace them with the physical buttons in the lower tier version of that car...

Like, how is this considered the nicer option? Hell, I think they're actually cheaper for the manufacturer than proper buttons at this point...

But sure, I really want to have to try three times to turn the vented seats on because I don't hit the exact right spot on the pad, only to accidentally switch it to the heated seats in triple digit weather while reaching for the AC knob (which actually is physical, thankfully)

[-] Retiring@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 months ago

Of course they are cheaper, thats why they put them everywhere instead of regular buttons.

[-] laurelraven 3 points 2 months ago

But not as much on the lower end models... That's what's confusing to me.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 months ago

Yeah, this stuff is always cheaper. Companies, like Tesla, have convinced a few stupid people that it's "premium" but if you look at all the cheapest cars coming to market all they have is a touch screen, like Tesla. It's the absolute cheapest option and it sucks.

[-] laurelraven 7 points 2 months ago

Car companies won't be happy until cars become yearly upgrade items like phone companies have convinced us to do with mobile phones

[-] kurcatovium@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Well I'd gladly switch my car on yearly basis if it cost the same as my phone...

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Nicer in the sense of flat panel that doesn't have dust in the seams making designers happy. And they're indeed cheaper to install.

[-] superminerJG@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

A well-designed button can be incredibly satisfying. Just ask anyone who owns a mechanical keyboard.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think the Hummer EV is a dangerous and wasteful piece of junk. But one thing it does well is the interior controls. There's a bunch of switches on the dash under near the infotainment screen, and there's little symbols above them for what they do. Tapping a switch can change its context.

So you get the flexibility of infotainment controls, but the UX of actual buttons.

Too bad it's in a Hummer EV.

[-] brsrklf@jlai.lu 86 points 2 months ago

Capacitive buttons on anything are annoying, they're unreliable as fuck. They might trigger with the slightest accidental touch, but then they'll act like your finger doesn't exist for a dozen pushes.

[-] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

and why do they have to be everywhere? we have an induction stove and it has capacitive buttons for some idiotic reason. so many problems! when you boil water, little drops are always landing on the buttons. and to reduce power from max to min, you need to hold the - button for like a full minute. wiping the stove with a wet towel makes it go BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP and it won't shut up! and finally, when my cats walk on the buttons, they always manage to turn it on. i miss knobs.

[-] brsrklf@jlai.lu 8 points 2 months ago

Yes, so much yes. I've got that on mine too, and it's a pain. it has very small, close "buttons" too, setting the temperature is an exercise in accuracy, when it reacts at all.

And yes, the tiniest drop of water fucks everything up completely.

[-] aramova@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah I'm remodeling and literally refuse to buy anything that doesn't have physical controls in the kitchen.

Fuck touch controls on everything.

[-] cloudless@lemmy.cafe 46 points 2 months ago

As a safety risk, they should be recalled and replaced with proper controls for free.

[-] Reawake9179@lemmy.kde.social 21 points 2 months ago

In germany you migh have the chance to get a 50€ voucher for your next german car

[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

Can confirm that these buttons on the steering wheel of the id4 are really, really dangerous bullshit. I regularly drive those cars as rentals, and I've never (not "rarely" - it's really never) faced a worse decision on buttons in any device I ever handled. Those touchpads are solely the reason I despise all VW-cars - they are complete crap. (I use these cars only for short trips and never activate any system by these buttons after encountering numerous dangerous situations as described in the article.)

[-] Damage@feddit.it 6 points 2 months ago

I think it's Mercedes that has two mini touchpads on the steering wheel? Horrible.

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

They have them since a long time, and the touchpads are really nice!

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[-] kamen@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

Shouldn't automotive catch a hint from the fact that the only mainstream capacitive control devices are phones and tablets - something that you're constantly looking at while operating?

[-] sqibkw@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

They know.

Capacitive touch sensors are WAY cheaper than physical buttons, and aren't nearly as prone to mechanical flaws. Plus they can market them as "newer"!

Car companies only care about your safety as much as it affects their bottom line. It's unfortunately commonplace for there to be known fatal flaws which occur infrequently enough that it's cheaper to just pay out the injured/killed victims than to issue a recall. Driving is inherently dangerous - any car companies that tried to fix everything would go bankrupt, or at least be squeezed out by those that don't.

Now, if only there were a way to build the places we live so that we didn't need to take on the risk of driving so frequently...

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

The older I get, the more willing I am to pay a premium for safety.

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 months ago

Im of the opinion controls for cars should be designed more like controls for airplanes. Every gage and button in that cockpit is where it is and points where it points to be able to convey a lot of information with a quick glance and allow you to interact as quickly and easily as you can read them. Marketing gimicks that remove layers of tactile response to esential controls don't belong in heavy machinery.

[-] kurcatovium@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Todays cars cockpit layouts are straight out dangerous for the roads tbh. Forcing you to point your eyes to some shitty display somewhere to turn down your AC, then try to tap tiny buttons and hope you won't tap on something else, instead of looking at a road in front of you? How is that even allowed ffs?!

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Touch controls are becoming increasingly common in airplanes and then backed up by mouse cursors. Flight critical controls still need to be backed by physical hardware but stuff like route planning etc is now almost entirely touch based. For light sports aircraft’s even flight critical stuff can be approved as touch controls. Look at the G3X or Dynon SkyView. They both have some form of dial-based backup controls, but it’s clearly designed for touch first.

[-] RiceMunk@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I own an ID3 and it's got the same capacitive bullshit steering wheel. So far I've only managed to accidentally fuck with the audio by brushing the right side of the wheel during a turn, but it's really scary that those cruise control buttons are right there with the potential to be fucked with at random.

Luckily I've learned to be pretty well aware of the adaptive cruise control suddenly deciding there's a different speed limit on the road than what's actually there, so maybe I can manage to catch any accidental fuckings with the buttons too.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

I got a loaner while my car was being fixed a while ago. The volume control on the wheel was touch sensitive. I would swipe it and blow my ears out while turning.

Worst. Idea. Ever.

[-] Hagdos@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

The ID.4 doesn't just have capacitive buttons, it has swipe controls on the steering wheel.

And of the most frustrating cars I have ever driven.

[-] Kadaj21@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

While im not a fan of the capacitive buttons on the steering wheel, I’ve gotten used to them and havent had any issues. That said, if there’s some sort of recall that swaps it out for a wheel with regular buttons, im down for that. I saw some of the newer VWs had physical buttons again, i wonder if it is just as easy to sawp like my MKV Rabbit from the bare bones to a R32 wheel?

Now the capacitive buttons below the screen could f right off lol. I barely use them. I tend to rest my hand on the top of the screen and use my thumb to navigate where i need to go. Thanks above for the travel assist mode.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

Completely ridiculous, used to own a mk6 Jetta and the steering wheel was perfect as it was, everything was right there and it was all regular buttons

[-] fpslem@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

This bears repeating more: VW already knew how to make good driver controls. Their buttons and switches were carefully and thoughtfully designed for many years. The decision to throw in touch-screen buttons is either chasing a fad or outright dangerous cost-cutting. Companies like VW deserve the flak because they knew better, and did it anyway.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Mk7 GTI owner here, can confirm it's got great steering wheel controls. I like that the audio is on the left side since my right hand is busy shifting.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lots of cars got crossed from my list when shopping for a used one this year, no buttons meant no purchase. got a Kia stinger, fast car, looks good, good price, all physical buttons

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Your autocorrect took the day off.

Kia Stinger looks like a nice ride, good choice!

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[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

How would these be causing crashes? The ID.4 has a few cruise control buttons on the left side of the steering wheel. They are push buttons, but you can swipe the speed up or down to change it to the next 5 MPH. The resume button is not capacitive as the article states, you have to push it. Once again, this seems like people not wanting to take responsibility for their own lack of attention while driving and blaming it on the tech in the vehicle.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago

Wait a minute. There are SWIPE CONTROLS on the steering wheel that adjust the cruise control speed by 5 mph increments? And we don't think that's problematic? I'm either misunderstanding the controls or not sure how that seems like a good idea at all

[-] Lulzagna@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Ya, even my Jettas physical buttons only increase the speed by 2km

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 months ago

It’s fine. Making a mountain out of a molehill.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

Sure, I totally can't see someone swiping on their steering wheel, say, shuffling across it to... I dunno, turn it? And either jetting forward because they just bumped it from 55 to 75 over the course of a turn, or suddenly slowing, probably without brake lights. Swipe on a steering wheel has got to be the worst car idea I've heard in a while, and I've heard some bad ideas.

Again, unless I'm misunderstanding the controls, which I am open to the possibility of. Please, if this is the case, let me know.

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[-] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

I mean they literally were talking about multiple ways. Someone could hit a stereo control and spike volume while turning the wheel which causes a huge break in concentration leading to an accident. That is absolutely possible and could be extremely dangerous in the right situation.

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The stereo causing someone to crash the car? That’s just Darwin at work.

There are falsehoods in the article. Go test drive an ID.4. I have a sneaking suspicion that this is yet another EV hit piece.

[-] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Not really at all. I believe your view is wrong. Just because you believe your high level of intellect makes it impossible for you, you may be forgetting the legion of morons and old people out there driving. Is 100% entirely possible someone could be turning a corner and accidentally does something to cause a distraction and run someone over because they instantly look down away from the road.

Regardless of the persons intelligence, it absolutely can and almost guaranteed has happened numerous times over humans driving careers. The button style just makes these situations easier to take place.

Edit - this isn’t a hit piece on EVs, touch capacitive controls suck in general in cars. Physical buttons are always better, easier to press and locate, and do what you need without drawing your attention from driving.

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[-] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago

Lol, this sort of shit also comes in ICE vehicles. The only reason this is more predominant in EVs is because some braindead MBAs think EVs need to somehow be more "futuristic" and tactile buttons are too old-school for them. How is it difficult to fathom that in certain situations this can lead to accidents?

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