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If only there were some sort of process we could have engaged in to select a candidate people actually want to vote for.
in 2016, SCOTUS said we can't have that, either, after we picked the wrong candidate.
You have to have voters and candidates engaged in that process. Biden by all accounts won the primary by a landslide.
That is a pretty generous use of the word 'won'.
RFK JR and Marianne Williamson ran against him and it was basically no contest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
That's specifically why he's saying "won".. there was no competition.
What if I told you.. it was designed this way.
I'm going to point out my initial statement, candidates and voters have to engage in the primary process if it is to be effective in ousting an incumbent.
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I didn't realize that RFK Jr. and Williamson were the best alternatives that Dems had to offer. That they were given equal funding and air time. That they got a fair chance to square off against the president directly over ideas. Carry on then.
There was no primary.
Joe Biden would have won the primary. I don't really think it would have even been close.
They never had a debate even though there were a couple candidates running. Biden has been mentally troubled for the last 9 months or so. It was party hubris that led to this crisis.
Oh, SNAP! That's a brilliant idea! I want to do that. Let's do that! Why haven't we ever done that?!?!
--It just seems so democratic
The US doesn't like democracies
Is this supposed to be some sort of revelation? She didn't get anywhere in the 2020 primary. No one has any genuine enthusiasm for her. It makes no sense that she was VP in the first place.
Sure it does. The Vice President is an almost useless job.
The VP has two tasks under the constitution: Emcee the senate, and be the President's understudy. It's a position that only has power if there's a tie in the senate, the VP gets to cast a tie breaking vote. It's not uncommon to stick a candidate who has some momentum but the party doesn't like there to get them out of the way. Look up Teddy Roosevelt's career to see how foolproof that plan is.
I want AOC on the ticket.
We need her in the legislature. Presidents fuck off after 4-8 years, we can't spend one of our progressives so early
She's too young unfortunately.
Edit: she turns 35 in October so she's just barely old enough. She's 34 right now though so I don't think I deserved that downvote.
She turns 35 this year before the election. She's eligible.
She is old enough legally.
She’s not grown up enough. But she will be one day.
Y'all overlooking that she's saying it has to be Harris. All the campaign funds and endorsements don't leave the campaign if Biden steps down and the baton is passed to the VP. Not true if we make this an open primary or even if we all agreed on someone else.
Fucking hell, of course it would be Pelosi who is floating the most risky option: an open primary. If Nancy is on board and AOC is not, you know it's probably bad: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/19/pelosi-support-open-nomination-biden-drop-out-00169893
She added that, “I'm in these rooms, I see what they say... a lot of them are not just interested in removing the president, they are interested in removing the whole ticket."
Do it.
And replace them with who?
I don't see an "Obama" waiting in the wings this time around...
What idiot Democratic politician would say right now that they want to be the next candidate? If Biden isn't replaced, that's a carreer ending move.
Who cares about economically right Obama? Think outside of the mind trap, geez.
How is that even remotely relevant to what that person said? They're not talking about policies, they're talking about popularity and ability to win an election.
We all want Sanders
Wake me up when they make up their mind. I don't care who it is.
I saw this quote earlier related to this;
“To not choose her is a slap in the face to Black women,” said Melanie Campbell, chairwoman of the Power of the Ballot Action Fund, an advocacy organization focused on Black voter engagement. “You are saying to Black women that what we represent is not good enough — not only to stay with the man we voted for, but the woman that most of us advocated for, to be the vice president. You take her down, then you lose the Black women’s vote.”
Hmm do we think this is a common thought among black women?
Yeah... I would put a lot more stock in that quote if Kamala Harris' poll numbers among Black women weren't relatively low for a Democrat. I'm sure some people will be upset, but if she is picked I know a lot of people will consider that a slap in the face in another way. Polls have shown for a long time that she's unpopular in a way that has nothing to do with race or gender. It would be handing the election to Trump almost as certainly as running Biden.
This looks like it's from the exact same playbook as, "There's a special place in hell for women who don't vote for women," back when the DNC was forcing Hillary Clinton on us over Bernie.
BERNIE \ FAIN FOR THE DEMOCRATIC WORKERS PARTY
Fain / Bernie. I love Sanders; I was a delegate for him in 2016. We don't need another octagenarian president. He would agree.
Who is Fain?
UAW President. He's been doing great work.
That's just idiotic. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being black or a woman. She's just not well liked and that can happen regardless of her sex or skin color.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of others that I would prefer and that I think would stand a better chance of winning... but I'm not in a position to be picky at this time.
Already kinda shooting for the stars hoping for Joe to dip, why not aim for a particular one as well?
Because nobody particularly likes Kamala Harris.
That was implied by what I was saying, yes.
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