Splitting hairs, but I think rather than implementing a partial defederation, I think it would be better to set user rights for a given federation instance. Some federations you might want to allow view only access, access to a certain "tier" of communities, etc. Make the rights customizable so its as granular as needed by the server.
I'd suggest that beehaw's concerns could be met with a tool that lets you disable posting or voting from off-instance users unless they meet threshold criteria, whether it be account age or post history or manual approval. That would allow you to keep your content interaction controlled without the nuclear option of complete removal.
Beehaw feels like it's ran by power tripping mods hiding behind toxic positivity and I'm not sad they defederated. I wouldn't denigrate anybody for preferring it but I personally like a little more freedom.
It seems like defederating harms the ones who do it, as it provides incentives for users who want to access both servers to go to a 3rd party. From kbin I can currently see both.
At the very least this move highlighted a big problem with the Fediverse that needs to be ironed out. So I guess that’s good.
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This needs to happen. This is getting ridiculous
The site grew something like twenryfold in the span of two days... Honestly I'm impressed at how mild the ridiculousness has been
I have a feeling that given a couple of years, things will settle out a bit and be more like Mastodon.
Could you imagine if your ISP/Gmail was so particular about what servers you could send email to?
There will always be valid reasons to defederate, although I think the bar for that is going to end up pretty high and well-defined in the future, but it's sort of an organic process to get there.
"A Modest Proposal."
Wait, this isn't satire? ;)
I would even say that at least 3 tiers of defederation are nessesary:
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Remote instance users can interact with local instance by posting and commenting on local instance, but remote communities are blocked on local instance
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Remote users can see posts/comments from local instance, but not the other way around and commenting and posting is disabled both ways
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Full defederation as it works right now. Neither instance can see content from the other.
Imo de-federation literally breaks the WHOLE fucking point of all of this.
I think this discussion is extra important with the recent and ongoing influx of new users, many of whom don't have a clue what criteria to use when choosing an instance. Plenty of new folk who have no real affiliation with whatever taint their instance might have due to its admin.
I disagree. I think you should either federate fully or not at all.
Why should we let instances browse and comment in our communites without reciprocity?
I'm out of the loop, could someone explain what happened?
All I know is that Beehaw defederated (or was defederated by) someone because of trolls?
Beehaw block lemmy.wolrd and sh.itjust.works
Yeah, they defederated from lemmy.ml as well
The comment I read made it seem as some kind of pitiful faction war but it's pretty understandable, maybe it could even have a positive impact on Lemmy as a whole
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