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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 165 points 9 months ago

There are two things that will lose the election for Democrats if they don't get them under control.

  1. Infighting and arguing over who the candidate should be.
  2. The "All is lost" attitude.

If people don't stop fighting and trying to convince themselves that it's not worth it to go to the polls then this is game over.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 65 points 9 months ago

I feel as if not enough people are saying this.

Infighting is a bane. Back when I was on Reddit I got fucking downvoted into oblivion multiple times for pointing out that the Left's biggest problem, both now and historically, is how we can never agree on anything. That whatever faults the Right has, they will come together just to shit on someone else. If us on the Left stood up in unity we would be a literal human tsunami flooding the bullshit that is the Republican habitual diatribe. Second, and louder, is apathy, as you said.

Starting to wonder if throwing League of Legends level of insults at people might get them angry enough to vote just to show me what's what.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

It's because the Democratic party is a coalition. The Democratic party ISN'T LEFT. It's a party made up of moderates (right wingers) and liberals.

It's essentially two different political philosophies trying to operate within one party.

[-] macaro 16 points 9 months ago

Which is why ranked choice voting allows people to better represent their candidate preferences. All the variety of political opinion can’t be represented in two parties.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

First past the post got us in this mess and it sure as shit ain't gonna get us out of it. I'll take a straw poll over what our current system is.

Ranked Choice voting allows for the kind of direct democratic action as we just saw in France and what they finally got around to doing in the UK with the most recent elections.

However, it's against the best interest of the current politicians in power.

How do we get Ranked Choice on ballot when the DNC won't even use it in their primaries?

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The French are also FPTP, they just convinced most of the potential spoiler candidates to fall on their swords for the good of the nation.

[-] andxz@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

The politics here in the EU are just as messy, there's simply a thin veneer of ..something, class, perhaps, that trump managed to completely remove from American politics.

What happened in the UK is a genuine bright spot, though. I couldn't stand Sunak, but at least he behaved like a fucking adult when the time came.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 9 months ago

It very much does feel like Trump gave the right permission to be their worst selves in public. The Republicans of the 90s and 00s were perfectly happy to use racism and jingoism and white grievance to win votes, but they either used dog whistles or pretended they were speaking an "uncomfortable truth". Now that it's been accepted that being horrible in public can make you president, they don't need to play that game anymore and they love it.

And all it took was that one little break. The European right is probably one successful brash racist away from being just as bad. There have been some close calls already.

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[-] Sc00ter@lemm.ee 20 points 9 months ago

The thing I'd like to see more of is people (outside of here) admitting they're voting for Biden even tho he's not ideal. We all know who trump is, and Biden gets a lot of flack, and I think it's going to persuade a lot of people from going out and voting.

People need to know that it's acceptable, encouraged even, to vote for the guy who isn't as bad, even if you don't like him. Just because you don't agree with everything he says or does, you agree with him more than the other guy.

Im in some groups with some trumpers, and I'll throw out memes making fun of trump, then they just say stupid incomprehensible things about Biden and I say "lol good one" and they don't know what the fuck to do

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Infighting and arguing over who the candidate should be.

Agreed.

I don't care if its Biden, Harris, or anyone else you put up. But yall need to pick fucking somebody and stick with the pick.

I'm sticking with Biden and Harris in that order until someone gives me a better option. And after weeks following the last debate, no one has given me a seriously better option.

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[-] Emmy@lemmy.nz 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The two things are the same thing. If you hadn't worked it out it's a general lack of faith in the democrats ability to accomplish anything.

They've had a whole term to do anything and what they did was a load of nothing except political grandstanding.

Whole they did that the supreme court wiped out decades of precedent and women's rights.

Their response was "go vote". But we already did that and the Dems did nothing. Their whole plan so far has been "well shit, vote harder I guess".

But there's worse.

He's ideologically toxic.

Biden is backing a genocide. Trump would too, we know that, but I don't want to vote for abyone backing a genocide.

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[-] Orbituary@lemmy.world 126 points 9 months ago

It should not be this hard to beat Trump. I'm so tired of sub-standard candidates.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago

The minority party being allowed so much influence is the problem. We need more voting laws to stop this ASAP.

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 19 points 9 months ago

Ranked choice works well in my city (San Francisco). Just wish it could realistically


given the political uphill battle


be applied to federal elections.

[-] Sconrad122@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

The monkeys paw curls. Texas has implemented more laws to stop minorities from voting

[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

It should not be this hard to beat Trump. I’m so tired of sub-standard candidates.

I'm pretty sure reasonable people everywhere have said that about populist candidates in general. And yet you have to ask, if they are so easy to beat why would any reasonable person either vote for them or not vote at all, even if the alternative sucks. Knowing the stakes, WHY?

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Voter apathy in the Democratic Party is what will kill it. There are far more liberals than there are conservatives, but about half of liberals just don’t vote. It’s ridiculous and incomprehensible.

[-] enbyecho@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago
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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

I'll say it to I'm blue in the face:

Either party can guarantee victory by running literally anyone except Biden or trump.

*Obviously not Hillary tho

If Biden steps down, trump is toast if he stays.

If trump steps down, there goes Biden's entire campaign.

[-] nerdschleife@lemm.ee 47 points 9 months ago
[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The pro-trump crazies aren't the majority of the Republican party anymore.

One of them literally just shot him a couple days ago in case you haven't heard...

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The pro-trump crazies aren't the majority of the Republican party anymore.

this is an underappreciated truth, but they quite clearly control the party. the dems need to give a reason for a solid majority of people to get off their asses and vote - apparently the threat of a literal fucking fascist takeover isnt quite enough.

"I'm not trump!" is typical dem fantasy BS at this point. the maga crazies taste blood and are about to frenzy feed.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

this is an underappreciated truth, but they quite clearly control the party

Moderate Dems don't represent the Dem party either. But they control it.

Both parties are controlled by the most rightwing factions, even tho most of the voters don't like it.

So we end up with most people voting against someone and not for anyone.

That's how we end up with 2/3s if the country not being happy if either of the two main parties win.

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[-] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 13 points 9 months ago

Why are you so certain that people would instantly vote for a new candidate more than the incumbent president? I have only seen polls saying the exact opposite.

Regardless, time is ticking out. If a new candidate is gonna have time to build any sort of support or momentum, they need to get started yesterday and hit the ground running, the election is just getting closer.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

I have only seen polls saying the exact opposite

An incumbent with what? A 34% approval rating?

Biden isn't a normal incumbent he's literally a historically unpopular incumbent...

And for months now polls have been showing a smaller gap between almost anyone else and trump.

Like, do you not understand this is Biden with the campaign and DNC behind him versus people who can't even say they're thinking about running yet?

You don't think that would give them even a 5% boost?

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[-] mynamesnotrick@lemmy.zip 6 points 9 months ago

Dems: So hillary then? Gotcha.

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[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 44 points 9 months ago

Statement dreamed up by the utterly deranged.

Biden should have dropped out in ‘23 and allowed for a real primary contest. Instead he and his neoliberal ilk shouted down anyone talking sense, and now his ego will cost America everything. Congrats Joe, you’ll go down in history after all.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Assuming that is true; what's your proposal to fix this now?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

We broke it, and now it's your fault for not knowing how to fix it.

[-] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago
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[-] Emmy@lemmy.nz 8 points 9 months ago

The proposal is get him to step aside. Sooner the better.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago
[-] Emmy@lemmy.nz 12 points 9 months ago

Honestly. Someone with a clean record on genocides would be a good start.

[-] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Great, that sounds like a winning plan. “We’ll just find someone”. Definitely will be stronger against Trump that way.

[-] Emmy@lemmy.nz 8 points 9 months ago

It's funny cause, that's on them to find a better candidate

[-] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Meanwhile with no alternative from the dnc your efforts only serve to support trump. Your progressive paradise will never be realized. It’s been stated to death but stop letting perfect stand in the way of good.

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[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well, go find a candidate. Then we can take the option seriously. Till then, you're just shouting without helping.

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[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 10 points 9 months ago

This will be a blight on his record like Ruth Bader Ginsbergs refusal to step down is on hers

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 34 points 9 months ago

The worst part is cognitive decline is real. We’re seeing it.

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Trump and Biden are only 3 years apart.

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3 years.

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The difference is, Joe surrounds himself with competence. He picked a VP who wouldn’t make a terrible President. He also doesn’t have shitty impulses to play with big government military toys at baseline that he’s falling back on right now.

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Can we say the same for Trump? What does his less competent more impulsive at baseline ass do in full cognitive decline?

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And yet we’re sitting in this geriatric hole. With a China-Russia-Korea alliance looming, plus whatever the fuck is happening on the daily in the Middle East. Our neighbors are cool, thankfully, but conflict doesn’t need to be neighbor based or on the same continent these days. Yea, we have shit in our own house and it stinks, but the rest of the globe isn’t going to stop existing while we fight it out.

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Complacency and inertia are scary. And that’s what’s been running the DNC for years.

[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

I 100% voting for Biden now. I hate this voting system.

[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

I feel like both parties are trying as hard as they can to lose this election.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

The case may be that no news development can dramatically change the race’s trajectory because the partisan bases for the two candidates are broad and firm, and the “double haters” in the middle will continue to double their hate.

If the contours of the race remained fixed, its outcome may hinge upon the quality of their two parties’ get-out-the-vote operations

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Any source that protects Biden right?

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