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[-] julianh@lemm.ee 150 points 4 months ago

Half-Life 2 introduced a sidekick who's mixed race, has dyed hair, and punches cops in her first scene. And yet I've heard no one call that game woke.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Half-Life 2 is so woke it opens with the words 'Rise and shine' 🤯

[-] Ashen44@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago

Rise and grind Mister Freeman ✊️✊️✊️

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[-] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

There was some around HL: Alyx when it came out ("replacing a man with a femoid character!!!") but I don't think VR is popular enough with the kinds of people that really carry these movements.

As to HL2, well, for one that game I'm sad to admit is pretty old now. It predates gamergate by a full 10 years, which really kicked off our current era of astroturfed antiwokeness. And despite incredible influence and critical acclaim has never actually been very popular.

Also they see a sidekick to a white man as an appropriate place for such people. Also she was somewhat deeper into the game and chuds don't actually play these games they complain about so they probably didn't get to her. Lots of contributing factors.

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[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 80 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Honestly I think this is a bad example. Guys are generally happy to play games with attractive bad-ass female leads. See Metroid/Tomb Raider/Bayonetta/Nier/etc

I actually think this is a fantastic example for this reason. Gamers back in the day were PISSED when they found out Samus Aran was a fEmOiD

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

I heard they were surprised, but where they pissed?

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[-] thomas@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but fort that you had to finish the game. That was HARD as hell back in the days. I believe neither I nor anyone in my elementary school knew Samus was a girl because nobody managed to finish the game.

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[-] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 40 points 4 months ago

They complain about reboot Lara Croft's tits being too small. Regular sized boobs are woke of course.

[-] missingno@fedia.io 19 points 4 months ago

The twist in the original Metroid was that you didn't find out Samus was a woman until the ending, I could totally see today's dumbass gamers calling that a bait-and-switch.

[-] Princeali311@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

Kicker is that they have to be attractive, which is the real reason most have no hate towards them. Aloy wasn't traditionally attractive in the Horizon sequel and people lost their shit.

[-] And009@reddthat.com 11 points 4 months ago
[-] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Nah, women can't have peach fuzz on their faces, or skin with spots and texture. Also Aloy didn't use machine blood to make eyeliner and eye shadow, so apparently she's not female enough for these morons.

The most obvious way these people tattle on themselves and their small dick energy is when you hear them start referring to all women as females. They aren't people, they're a caste of other lifeforms that can be boiled down to their sex.

Hearing how "woke games devs are too threatened by attractive females" is a good sign whoever is speaking slipped and landed on their head too many times.

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[-] Princeali311@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There were tons of comments about her being overweight, which is just comical.

Don't even get me started about the Last of Us 2 hate

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[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 74 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Games if anything are less woke now than they used to be. Forget games featuring female protagonists; well-loved classics like Final Fantasy 7 have strong underlying themes regarding pollution, climate change and environmentalism, and Metal Gear Solid was a biting critique of the military industrial complex all the way back in the 90s!

Prior to the current, rampant commercialisation of video games - they used to be viewed as art or at the very least passion projects, intentionally designed with a strong underlying message.

The problem now is that with the ubiquity of the internet, Gamers™ have unintentionally collaborated into creating echo chamber where the worst of humanity is given the largest soap box.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

you can type ™ for the proper ™ symbol.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago
[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 17 points 4 months ago

I think it's the same issue as conservatives suddenly realizing their favorite band or movie/tv franchise is gasp woke!

They passively consume media without analyzing it beyond the surface level, then are personally offended that they were "baited" into consuming what they see as woke propaganda.

Then they also notice a trend of more overt progressive elements in media because of an increase in surface-level corporate pandering, and they blame "wokeness" for bad storytelling without realizing people who are actually woke hate the shallow pandering too.

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[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

There are plenty of modern games that deliberately make these kinds of discussions. A handful I’ve played recently with strong political or at least philosophical themes:

  • Helldivers 2
  • Talos Principle (both games)
  • Deus Ex series
  • The Witcher series in general
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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Games if anything are less woke now than they used to be

For real, check out this dude complaining about anti-religion in Castlevania lol (I feel okay sharing this because account is deleted and thread is ancient by internet standeds, otherwise I always wanna prevent brigading etc): https://www.reddit.com/r/castlevania/comments/d57q9m/does_anyone_else_feel_like_the_antireligion/?rdt=55043

Or consider that God always dies in SMT games, or there’s a path to always do that

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 62 points 4 months ago

Not sure if it's mentioned yet but the "secret ending" of Metroid was that she takes off her helmet and reveals herself to be a woman in the end. It was actually written to be a surprise for people who beat the game very fast, which makes this a really weird example.

And honestly, I think that's them being accidently progressive for shock value, since subsequent secret speed run endings in later games had her in a bikini...

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago

If Metroid came out today:

"UNBELIEVABLE!!! Woke SJW cultural marxists made Nintendo to put politically correct forced diversity into Metroid! Only on Chudcast, the podcast by naiveCentrist1355, formerAtheistTurnedChristianFundamentalist23456, epicGamer7822, Dr IGroomTeens, and iSwearIamNotANaziJustAModerateChoservativeChristianDemocrat1488"

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 43 points 4 months ago

Tom Hanks had a TV show about two guys who wear women's clothes so they can live in a female only residence.

Ran from 1980 to 1982 and it was never a big deal with the Christian Nationalists then.

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[-] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 33 points 4 months ago

I don't think this is a particularly good take. Inclusivity IS much more important today than it was to people even 10 years ago. The real issue is that being woke is GOOD! It's crazy that people have twisted it around, like shutting our eyes to the world's problems (being "asleep") is somehow the right way to be.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

I think both are true. We are more interested in inclusivity today, and that is a good thing! But it's also true that certain currents in our society have reacted to that like an immune system to a foreign body. Things that were benign previously become objects of irritation and anger as one of the 'outsiders' even if it's no different than the long-established and beloved things.

It's honestly insane that gamers are not down with communism, given that the games industry is the prime example of all the failings of capitalism

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[-] tourist@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

The only time I hear about a new game coming out is when the protagonist or side character is a woman or black and the outrage from right wingers leaves gaming news

[-] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

The issue I have Is when there whole character is that they are a minority

Like I love Ashoka but Ray Skywalker is just boring

Now when people hate on actual good characters like Samus That's when alarms should be sounded

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 months ago

I love how Rey could have been an example of how the force can manifest in anyone . But instead she's Palpatine's granddaughter so never mind turns out it's just hereditary lol. They had it all setup and then fumbled it.

It's kind of amazing how shitty episode 7-9 are. The franchise made a profit on momentum alone.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 months ago

They fucked up force canon the second they introduced mitochlorians

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

On the best endings, especially for the games where she isn't 27 pixels in total, she's traditionally shown to be pretty muscular.

Not space-marine pauldron-filling muscular, but far too big not to be called woke..

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[-] Emmy@lemmy.nz 12 points 4 months ago

No, there's a tiny sexy blonde girl in a leotard inside. Heck if you finish the first game fast enough you get to see it as a special reward.

Probably the wrong character to make the point tbh

[-] ysjet@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Actually, the 'waifuization' of Samus Aran is relatively recent- originally she was described as 6'3" and 198lb, and looked like this:

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[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 11 points 4 months ago

I just rewatched the original Star Wars trilogy with my dad because he was feeling nostalgic, and damn, Leia is more badass than the rest of the cast put together

[-] NostraDavid@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, because she'd be a new character instead of a lazy, crappy rewrite of already established characters. Which is why I hate current Luke Skywalker, but not Miles Morales. It's why I hate current Klingons, but not Baldur's Gate 3 (haven't played it (yet)).

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

Thank god it's fine by you.

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