Secret Service rushes Trump off stage after shots fired at his Pennsylvania rally : worldnews

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Statement by the Secret Service:

An incident occurred the evening of July 13 at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania. The Secret Service has implemented protective measures and the former President is safe. This is now an active Secret Service investigation and further information will be released when available.

Statement by the Trump campaign:

President Trump thanks law enforcement and first responders for their quick action during this heinous act. He is fine and is being checked out at a local medical facility.

Live Coverage: ABC CBS NBC FOX

Sources: shooter is dead, one attendee is dead, blood on bleachers, blood on t-shirts, medical helicopters on the scene

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 149 points 3 months ago

Well I think we can all be certain there won't be any huge downwind effects from this 😐

[-] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 116 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yup they're going to try to rally around this. His stupid little fist thing he was doing while the secret service was around him is scary. It's plays right into the fascist playbook and his narrative as a victim/brave knight enduring arrows for his common people. I'm sad to say this, but it probably would've been better for democracy if they had succeeded. I think he would be easier to handle as a martyr than this tough guy act he's going to assume after this 😩

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 months ago

It may bring MAGA nuts a few steps closer to the violence they're eager for an excuse to unleash. If they believe they're under immediate attack they will feel entitled to attack back. That said, I'm not sure how much difference this will make in the end. Eventually they'll get violent anyway because they're fascists.

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 138 points 3 months ago

God dammit, they had to fucking miss

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago

I'm a flaming liberal, but I'm honestly revolted that, as I write this, your comment has a bunch of upvotes and no downvotes.

[-] CreativeShotgun@lemmy.world 57 points 3 months ago

This man wants to do things that will make me and many people i love dead or suffering. How do you not understand how we could feel this way?

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Because if you start justifying these kinds of things, they will eventually be turned against you and next you know it, your own political representative is being shot at because their opponent's supporters are feeling threatened just as you are (whether they are truly justified in feeling threatened or not, doesn't matter).

Democracy does not work with violence.

EDIT: I'm really curious about the downvoters: do you really think murdering your political opponents is justified? The goal is to vote out the fascists, not become fascists.

[-] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Because if you start justifying these kinds of things....

Republicans have already been justifying it. It was only days ago that a Republican said [paraphrasing] "theres a revolution already going on and it will be bloodless if the left doesnt interfere".

Republicans have already been justifying the death of BIPoC, trans kids, the queer community, Palestinians and anyone who opposes their genocide.... the list goes on. And its mealy mouthed liberals that always say shit like "oh but we shouldn't start justifying using violence, even in defence" from their positions of privilege.

WTF do you think is going to happen after November, whether Trump wins or not? They have been laying out the justification for using violence for 4 fucking years and you've slept through it, hoping its just some nightmare you'll wake up from.

Democracy does not work with violence.

How do you think your form of 'democracy' was achieved? You ballot box is awash with so much fucking blood that you would piss your pants if you had a tiny inkling. And most of it is from those who your country mercilessly crushed for you to have it. You dont live in a democracy. You live in a military/prison/pharma industrial corporatist state that masquerades in a trenchcoat as a democratic Republic

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm not sure what you're saying - since they are justifying violence, you should too? That doesn't seem sustainable, unless your goal is a civil war.

EDIT for your edit: I am not from the US so I'm not sleeping through anything, I'm just watching from the sidelines. My form of democracy was actually introduced quite peacefully, all things considered. But that's neither here nor there.

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[-] blackluster117@possumpat.io 14 points 3 months ago

It doesn't work if all parties aren't participating in good faith, either. What then?

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago

Our "democracy" IS violent, it just isn't the ruling class experiencing the violence. Every day our society is upheld by violence. Violence over seas (231 years of war, support of genocide, coups, and interventions) and violence at home in the form of an increasingly more powerful police state.

This is just the direct forms of oppression like guns, bombs and jackbooted thugs. There are also sanctions that starve people and IMF loans that impoverish people. These all uphold our standards of living, the united states cannot exist with the impoverishment and exploitation of others.

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[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

How you could hate him? I understand. I have a nonbinary kid, and I'm against what he stands for. But advocating for political assassination is just wrong. We don't punish people for crimes they haven't yet committed, and we don't support vigilantism.

We need to vote out fascist Republicans, not kill them.

[-] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 months ago

You know Trump was already president once, right? It's not like it's a secret that he's anti-LGBTQ people.

We Made A List Of All The Anti-LGBT Stuff Trump Has Done As President from 2018, it includes

Saying it’s legal to fire workers for being transgender.
Arguing that it’s legal to fire workers for being gay.
Making transgender female prisoners live with male prisoners.
Telling the Supreme Court that shopkeepers can turn away LGBT customers.
Withdrawing protections for transgender students.
Refusing to investigate anti-transgender discrimination complaints in public schools.
Trying to kick transgender people out of the military.
Issuing a religious liberty policy.
Starting to rescind protections for transgender patients.

and their list goes on.

The Trump administration on Friday finalized a rule that would remove nondiscrimination protections for LGBTQ people when it comes to health care and health insurance from 2020

A controversial new rule that could allow homeless shelters to turn away transgender people based on physical appearance is the Trump administration’s latest attempt at restricting trans rights. also from 2020

I'm not sure it's possible to get a full picture of everything Trump did wrong, even if you narrow it down to specific topics like LGBT rights. A lot of these things aren't crimes, but that's only because he was the one writing the laws and policies.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And the solution to this problem is to murder him? That is not how democracy works. Besides, the problem is not Trump per se, but the people voting for him. That won't change just because Trump is dead. They will find some other bigoted candidate that will be just as bad if not worse.

People need to be educated and informed and know why it's a bad idea to vote for someone like Trump - that is the only sustainable way to fix things if you ask me. Murder and violence will only entrench people further on either side and drive people to even more extremes.

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 months ago

Do you not realize how terrible it is that he missed? You of all people as a "flaming liberal" should be the most angry. This essentially secures trumps presidency, its the best thing that could have happened to his campaign.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

First of all, that's bullshit. As I said in another thread:

The electorate is viscerally polarized, and very few people are on the fence about who to vote for - maybe some undecided about whether they’ll vote at all. I can’t imagine there are many people who are going to switch from Biden to Trump because of this, or who will even go from undecided to Trump. It makes no sense.

Second, my political activism stops short of murder. Apparently that doesn't go far enough for you. That doesn't make me a troll.

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[-] regul@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago

Yeah you are definitely a lib alright.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You libs drone all the time in every media how the guy is an enemy of democracy, second coming of Hitler and needs to be stopped for any price. Yet you are "revolted" when someone taken it seriously.

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[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

Part of me wishes they didn't, part of me wonders who would use his martyrdom to do even worse.

[-] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago

That last part is the terrifying bit, honestly. Trump is an egomaniac with the attention span of a toddler. He's an unguided projectile of spite and vanity.

Imagine someone competent filling his shoes with the unprecedented powers that were recently granted by the supreme court and the rabid MAGA fanbase behind them.

The potential for lasting damage goes (even further) off the scale. I shudder to think what that might actually look like.

Honestly, in the event Biden loses, the best hope the US has is Trump's general incompetence.

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[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

A head that size is a sniper’s wet dream.

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 61 points 3 months ago

Remember that Biden is immune thanks to the SCOTUS.

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[-] resin85@lemmy.ca 58 points 3 months ago

Seems appropriate to drop this here:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-reichstag-fire

On February 27, 1933, the German parliament (Reichstag) building burned down. The Nazi leadership and its coalition partners used the fire to claim that Communists were planning a violent uprising. They claimed that emergency legislation was needed to prevent this. The resulting act, commonly known as the Reichstag Fire Decree, abolished a number of constitutional protections and paved the way for Nazi dictatorship.

[-] Kit 52 points 3 months ago

Staged af.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 64 points 3 months ago

It could be but let's not jump to conclusions.

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 months ago

I think if it was strong enough to bloody his ear like that then a few centimeters difference could potentially have done very serious damage.

[-] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 41 points 3 months ago

trump has the thickest skull the very best they say they tell me they say donald your skull, and these are world class doctors the very best they say donald your skull its so thick you have the thickest skull it could stop a bullet and it could believe me it could thats what they tell me i dont know if thats true but hey

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[-] Canary9341@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

So what's the theory here? Trump convinced one of his zealots to shoot him in the head/ear, potentially or intentionally kill others, and then die?

As crazy as trump and MAGA are, this is too much.

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[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

I’m hoping for the best. For the United States, that is.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 months ago

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[-] Swuden@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

Big W for the Trump campaign…

[-] trk@aussie.zone 26 points 3 months ago

Well, that's America buggered.

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[-] Don_Dickle@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[-] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago

He is like a fucking hundred so yeah that makes sense

[-] Birch@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago

There are moments in history that completely change the course of events for decades to come. We just witnessed literal inches between two possibly extremely different futures. Very strange feeling.

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[-] someacnt_@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

I was freaking scared when I saw lots of people in my country was cheering Trump's ralley. It's not even the old people, they were in their 20s-30s. If Trump succeeds, I don't see it going well in my country as well.. How do I survive in a fascist country? Sad.

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[-] mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

libs: this man will be the next hitler

also libs: I stand with trump after this appalling act

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[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The speed at which he was turned into a hero and merchandise was made is a testament to the efficiency and responsiveness of capitalism.

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[-] nekandro@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago

Does it sound like a suppressed .22 to anyone else?

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 3 months ago

Your man here’s going to go (even more) mental when he gets back in.

[-] useyourmainfinger@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

So the shooter was accurate enough to wing him in the ear from outside the event, but also wild enough to hit people in the crowd, ok then...

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